Talk:Royal Marines

Photographs

Regarding the Customs and traditions section, one of the photographs there shows a uniform that is out of date, Multi-Terrain Pattern (MTP). That can be removed and possibly replaced. Dreddmoto (talk) 14:28, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

That photograph was removed from the Customs and traditions section and added to the Uniforms of the Royal Marines article. --Dreddmoto (talk) 00:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Photographs of selection and training

Regarding the section titled Selection. The first photograph there is obsolete and is from 1996. It is not helpful in showing modern selection or training in the RM. It could be replaced with an image that is more recent. Suggestions would be welcome. --Dreddmoto (talk) 03:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Not all Royal Marines are Commandos and not all Commando are Royal Marines

It is apparent that a number of user names and IP addresses appear to be under the impression that Royal Marines is/are synonymous with Commandos in the UK. A perusal of sources and indeed this page should make it apparent that this is not the case. The Commando story is only a recent part of the Corps' long history even though today it dominates the public perception of the Corps and is something that is quite understandably emphasised in RN/RM publicity. Their duties include much else - most notably the Band Service but also LC Crews and Security duties. The UK Commando formation is 3 Cdo Bde therefore Commando specific material is proper there rather that here unless if appertaining to the whole of the Corps. Blackshod (talk) 15:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

This is not true, all Royal Marines are commandos and the official Royal Navy website also describes the ‘Royal Marines’ as the “UK’s commando force”, the UK Governments integrated review for defense in 2021 also describes the Royal Marines as a “Special operations-capable” force, both of these sources were attached to this page to support this. I appeal any other editors take this into consideration.

And lastly this page is titled ‘Royal Marines’ not ‘Corps of Royal Marines’, a seperate page should be published for the Corps of Royal Marines. Also, the RM Band service are Naval Musicians not Royal Marines. The band service has its own wiki page, this page is supposed to describe the ‘Royal Marines’ and their current status, which is a special operations-capable commando force according to official sources from the Royal Navy and UK Government. The band service should not be part of this article as they are not Royal Marines. 2A00:23C8:8501:4301:5DEC:8996:327C:9B88 (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

what is your source for marine bandsmen being naval musicians rather than members of the royal marines? They have been marines for many years.

The commando activity has only been one of several that the Royal Marines have undertaken, such as sea service and aircrew.

Finally, the article's title does not have to reflect the full formal name given to the Royal Marines Bluenose Gunner (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

The Royal Navy website. The band service are members of the Corps of Royal Marines but they are not Royal Marines themselves, hence why I suggested for a separate page to be published for the Corps as this page is title “Royal Marines”. In the Royal Marines description section on the Royal Navy website the band service are not mentioned at all, it described the Royal Marines as the “UK’s Commando Force” and the UK governments integrated review also describes the Royal Marines as “special operations-capable” and “commandos”. Regarding the Royal Marines you cannot get a more accurate source than the Royal Navy and the UK Government themselves. 2A00:23C8:8501:4301:5DEC:8996:327C:9B88 (talk) 17:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

As has already been explained by other editors, the Royal Marines have a long history of non-commando based activities. Also please see WP:SOURCE. "Base articles on reliable, independent, published sources." The whole point of wikipedia is that it is independent. That's why we prefer to use independent sources, rather than government sources. Dormskirk (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Having looked at the relevant RN website, I am struck by how much its Royal Marines writeup is a short, glib, marketing spiel rather than a thoughtful, informative, and authoritative source. I would not trust it for very much of anything other than that the Royal Marines exist and that they do amphibious operations. Bluenose Gunner (talk) 19:36, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Yep, that basically reinforces Dormskirk's point about using secondary sources instead of primary sources when and where ever you can. - wolf 08:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Request for consensus

Two views of what this article describes seem to exist. One is that it describes solely the Royal Marine Commandos. The other is that it describes the Royal Marines in general, starting with their history and moving forward to today and the foreseeable future. This version includes obviously the commando portion.

I believe that the latter view is correct. In order to avoid edit wars, could we reach a consensus about which is correct? Bluenose Gunner (talk) 14:11, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I support the view that the article should describe the Royal Marines in general, starting with their history and moving forward to today and the foreseeable future. Dormskirk (talk) 17:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Commando Helicopter Force

@Blackshod: you have repeatedly removed content, despite all the p&g that have been cited for you each time the content was reinstated. After the last time, you removed it again, without so much as a single word posted here. As such, I have started this thread for you, to give you an opportunity to explain your edit properly, instead of by way of very brief and vague edit summaries. - wolf 06:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)