Talk:Fort Lisa (North Dakota)

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Fort Lisa

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I have actually found that second fort before, and meant to start a new article at a different point. I am going to take the majority of the content you created and move it to Fort Lisa (North Dakota), and move the North Omaha content to Fort Lisa (Nebraska) and then disambiguate the two at Fort Lisa. Thanks for identifying the information you did. With regard to the founding dates of the forts the sources waver, as I have seen more than once that the North Omaha fort was the earlier of the two; regardless, I will keep what you found because I think your sources are likely correct. • Freechild'sup? 01:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I might have got the wrong founding date from this official Nebraska state government website. Maybe. • Freechild'sup? 11:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Certainly it's hard to know without seeing their sources, and there was probably confusion because of two Fort Lisas. The Iowa State Historical Society material had more details as to location of the first one, which made me think it drew on better sources. I did see more than one source that said 1812 for the fort in Omaha, so...--Parkwells (talk) 11:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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An anonymous editor made these remarks on the main page and I don't quite know the rules for this situation. To keep their input around I relocated it to this section. The original edit can be found here. [1]:

"There is much wrong with this article. The Gros Ventre mentioned above are more generally known as the Hidatsa as there is another Gros Ventre band in Montana. Lisa did build a Fort Mandan next to the Hidatsa at the Knife River (I have never heard it referred to as the Big Knife). In 1811, Lisa built Fort Manuel Lisa or Fort Manuel just south of the North Dakota - South Dakota line. It is that Fort Manuel where word of Sacagawea's death came. It is that Fort Manuel that was visited by Bradbury and Brackenridge." Voltaire's Vaquero (talk) 13:09, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This fort is in South Dakota

I’m not sure how this happened, but the site of this fort is actually south of the border in South Dakota. It’s located near Kenel. Why does this say North Dakota?

To add to this: this isn’t a contested location. It is firmly in South Dakota. All of the sources I have checked say so. In addition, while maybe less reputable because I don’t know the history of this exact location, Google shows a site with “preserved” buildings (I’m not fully sure of authenticity) on the site (coordinates 45.86130N 100.45183W) There are also historical markers nearby.

https://www.sdhspress.com/journal/south-dakota-history-6-2/fort-manuel-its-historical-significance/vol-06-no-2-fort-manuel.pdf

https://sd4history.sd.gov/Unit4/manuallisa.htm

https://ordinaryphilosophy.com/tag/fort-manuel/

199.185.131.74 (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]