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While I applaud your bravery, and indeed most of what you recently wrote about Tantra in the Mahayana, there are (self-nominated) “Hinayana Tantra” traditions in and around Nepal and other areas - I met some of them! (20040302 (talk))

Indeed, there is also an entire Esoteric Theravada tradition. However, this is not relevant to that article since that article is specifically about Mahayana. ☸Javierfv1212☸

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About Buddhist chant and Buddhist music merge

Hi @Javierfv1212

First of all thanks for your efforts and work, it's admirable. But I want to critic objectively the merge that you did and the surprise that nobody disputed it. I am Bhikkhu from the Theravada tradition ordained in Thailand were Bhanakas are still important part of the practice and it's not music, not a melodic chant, but instead the recitation of important aspects of the teaching of the Buda or the monastic code in a language that it's tonal so it have sort of a melody but it's product of the pronunciation of those languages.

For Therevada, the monastic code it's very important, in it we are forbidden to dance, to sing, even to do sports or to engage in any kind of entertainment, including listening to music.

So the Buddhist chants for Theravada tradition, specially for monastics and yogis have a very different meaning, and I don't meant that the other traditions doing things differently are doing it wrong, but this is how different things can be.

Regards -- Dhammadharo (talk) 00:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I understand where you are coming from. But in that case, the proper word might not be "chant", but recitation. Since chant has the common name of being musical. Oxford languages defines chant as: 1. a repeated rhythmic phrase, typically one shouted or sung in unison by a crowd. a monotonous or repetitive song, typically an incantation or part of a ritual. 2. Music a short musical passage in two or more phrases used for singing unmetrical words; a psalm or canticle sung to such music..."

Furthermore, I am quite sure that some Theravadins do chant in a musical way. Not all Theravada recitation is completely non-musical. Smot is a major example.

I guess you are free to add some content to the page explaining how some Theravada traditions do not chant but recite their passages. Or maybe a page on non-Buddhist musical "recitation" could be made separate to this. But I would not use the word "Buddhist chant" in this case, since the word chant clearly has musical connotations in English. Javier F.V. 11:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]