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Speedy deletion

Reason: This subject is not sufficiently covered by said article. This subject intends to cover over a 100 year illustrious history, and notably several recent feats which will be noted in history. This subject deserves to have a separate page devoted to it. Similar articles for basketball teams with much less prominent and notable histories abound on Wikipedia. Illinois continues its success in this field, and it should be duly noted. (Ex: North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball, Duke Blue Devils men's basketball, UCLA Bruins men's basketball, Texas Longhorns basketball, Texas A&M Aggies basketball, etc., etc.). It will be a long process to see the page take a finalized form.IlliniPride 05:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, this article should not be speedy deleted. --BigDT 00:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Home Court Record

I know that a brilliant home court record is a great source of pride for Illini fans, but does this need to be included in the main article for every year? That section may be better served by naming the head coach, etc. Just a thought. Chiwara 00:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Championships

To our anonymous editor: The use of the infoboxes is to list information that can be filled in. There is no reason to list something that didn't happen, and we all know that Illinois has not won an NCAA championship. No other schools' infoboxes list "none" in any category (I checked.) Please don't add unncecessary information to the page.Chiwara 15:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dont see how that is unncecessary. Say for instance, a recruit, a fan or just a curious individual wanted to know whether illiniois basketball has ever won the NCAA tournament. They would read this page and leave unsure of the answer. With my edit, they would know. Please do not delete factually accurate and germane information simply because you don't like the information. 207.114.16.210 17:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have made repeated edits on this and the main Illini page with no other goal in mind than to drive home the point that Illinois has never won an NCAA basketball championship. I think it is fairly obvious that if no championships are listed, than none have been won. The University of Illinois does not have a banner in the Assembly Hall that states "National Champions Never." This is not the place to reveal your personal biases. Please keep them out. Chiwara 18:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is kind of the pot calling the kettle black- since you are clearly demonstrating a pro-illini bias. If your contention is that the illini have won the NCAA tournament I will remove the edit. However, they have not and a table in this article reflecting that should not be deleted.207.114.16.210 19:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm neither pro- nor anti-Illini, but I agree with Chiwara that your edits are unnecessary and more agenda-driven than the commonplace practice on such pages of not listing events that have not happened. ~ João Do Rio 19:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I second Joao's point. I fail to see of what benefit it is to Wikipedia to go out of our way to list events that have not happened. We could create thousands of articles based on such a philosophy. Please, either find a precedent here on any other page (and I doubt you will) or someone to back up your edits on this talk page. Otherwise, I will again revert your edit tomorrow.Chiwara 21:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

its part of the standard info box and is absolutely true...NCAA tournament championships are generally the standard upon which programs are judged. Therefore, it is significant that they have not won one and its placement in this article is both necessary and useful. While I would agree that in many cases listing non-events is useless, this is not one. (Also, it is good to see you again Chiwara. Not even a hello when we havent had any exchanges in weeks?!) 207.114.16.210 00:15, 20 May 2007

I'd ask you to question the motivation of edits if their goal is to allow readers to "rank" or "judge" basketball programs. Wikipedia is meant to maintain a neutral POV. Additionally, as mentioned previously in this discussion, it is Wikipedia precedent that collegiate and professional sports articles typically don't list events that haven't happened. Just a few examples: Notre Dame Fighting Irish does not make mention of their lack of NCAA Championships; Buffalo Bills does not note their lack of Super Bowl wins; and most relevant for our discussion, Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball does not have a listing of "None" under "Conference Tournament Championships."Chiwara 15:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My justification is simple. As noted above, say for instance, a recruit, a fan or just a curious individual wanted to know whether illiniois basketball has ever won the NCAA tournament. They would read this page and leave unsure of the answer. With my edit, they would know. Please do not delete factually accurate and germane information simply because you don't like the information.