Talk:Goku

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Goku´s training

I think it could be good idea to put and explain shortly the training evolution that goku has, like for example with Muten Roshi, delivering milk crosing a waterfall, six bottles in 6 kilometers, plowing a land farm with the hands, swimming with sharks, etc, until the last training by himself when he is boxing with 2 tons rock in his arms and legs, and as Supersaiyan West Kaio change it to 10 tons each. This is only a suggestion. 88.149.103.132 19:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

This could be an article too. The training that Goku did: - With master Roshi: Goku carry a box of Milk in 6 km., running, crossing close to a waterfall, crossing a canon, escaping dinosaurs, the last Km. is going upstairs a montain. Second training was plowing a land with the hands until breakfast, then was learning math, language and general culture; then eat lunch and take a nap. Then construction work, then swimming 10 laps with sharks, and finally tie to a tree with a rope and dodge bees all this using a 20 kilos turtle shell.

-The second training with master Karin, climbing the Karin´s tower twice, learning to read and anticipate the movements in his attemp to drink the "sacred water" that was just plain water.

-The third Training after the fight with his granpa Gohan, Roshi send him to train by himself, he perfect his techniques, and eliminate his weakness by training his tail.

-after defeat King Piccolo, training with Kami and Mister Popo, learning how to sense Ki, not using his eyes and ears, but sensing and using instinct, training his lungs, cause oxigen in Kamis palace was thin due the altitude and training his strenght with a 20 kilos boots, 20 kilos wrist and 20 kilos t shirt.

-With north kaio learning the kaioken and the spirit bomb, dominating his speed and streng with the heavy clothes 100kilos in 10 g x earth g, his body weight in 10 g is aprox. 600 to 700 kilos + the heavy clothes 1 ton more.

-Training by himself in 100 g, with dumbells his body weigth is 6 to 7 tons.

-training unknow in planet yardrat, perfecting Supersaiyan form and learning instant transmision.

-training: sparring with Piccolo and Gohan.

-Training in the room of spirit and time, 40 g, temperature 40 degres celsius in day and - 40 in nigth, learning to control his supersaiyan strenght as same that his base form.

-Training as dead unknow, fighting the strongest dead fighters, learning the fusion technique, only eating and training. he could kick and punch fast with 10 tons in his whole body at his normal base and 40 tons as supersaiyan 1.

-Training 10 years after defeat majinn Buu, unknow.

-Training: Teaching and sparring with Ubb.this is the last training in DBZ. 157.157.89.71 11:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This is what made the difference between Goku and others superheroes.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pegasusriusenken (talk • contribs)

I don't think that's a good idea. Large lists won't improve this article--$UIT 17:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with SUIT, but is good information, make me remember why i like Dragonball Ykkifenix 20:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I also agree with SUIT, large lists and long explanations is what made this article so confusing to read and bungled in the first place. All of us have worked so hard to get this article to the point of being as short as it is, and with a character like Goku, just cutting it this short is a task all itself.--Majinvegeta 05:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Goku´s age

I believe that Goku meets Bulma when he is 11, then train with Muten Roshi 8 months, and fights the first tournament at 12. Ykkifenix 23:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Good observation, but there's no evidence for that theory. --Majinvegeta 05:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there is: He clearly states that he is twelve years old at the tournament when asked about his age. –71.244.215.137 01:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but we don't know how long the training was. He may have been 12 since the beginning--$UIT 02:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

All Techniques needed?

I was just wondering if this extended list of Techniques is actually needed. I mean, it's important to mention the Kamehameha and the Instant Movement, but are techniques like Flying really neccisary? I'm just thinking, and I don't really see the minor, common techniques as important. Perhaps Kamehameha, Instant Movement, Kaio Ken, Rock Scissors Paper, and Genkai Dama are all that this article needs. Suggestions? --Majinvegeta 05:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

To me is more neccesary the techniques list than the games list, i dont see that other superheroes have like goku a game list, i suggest we put it in the dragonball article because is not only goku that apear in the games, is all the characters, or make it one link to a another article with the game list explain a litle better like what years they come out, some secrets or tips and a short explanation. Ykkifenix 08:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep it just because everyone can fly doesn't mean its not notable. DBZROCKS 22:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

quick question

What does the scouter say about his power level?

Sigh.. it's over 9000. Now discuss the article please--$UIT 19:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually its over 8000 :p

Silly Saban. Onikage725 13:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The new image

Okay, he has wings in this one. How come we never have a "normal" image? One where he isn't dead or have wings?--$UIT 18:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussion continued on WP:DBZ. ~I'm anonymous

Move to Goku.

Naming conventions say to use the most common official English name. On top of that, "Dragon Ball" Goku -Son gets more hits than "Dragon Ball" "Son Goku", roughly 900,000. Being closer to the original title certainly does not make it the right title for English readers. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

No, because the names are not exclusive to the Funimation spellings. There is the Harmony Gold spelling and the Ocean spelling, therefore, many ages ago, it was decided to use the Japanese names, because those are the original and can't be disputed with. The same thing has been proposed on the Freeza Saga article, I assume you picked this discussion up from there? --MajinVegeta 09:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

You can't just decide to overlook naming conventions. Is there a purpose to using a name that's not recognizable by the English readers? No. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Not recognizable? Technically speaking if we were to rename the article to any given name it can be one of SEVERAL things. Gokou, Goku, Gokuh, or Gokuu. And to someone whose in Britian reading this article, THEIR common way of spelling the name is Gokou, not Goku. Do you see what I'm saying? Just because it's the way you spell it doesn't mean that it's the way someone else who speaks English spells it. Therefore I vote against this change, and not to mention "Goku" redirects to this article anyway. I'm pretty sure that they can figure out that his name is "Goku" in English, but his name in Japanese has the "Son" in front of it. That's not difficult to figure out if you didn't know his name was Son Goku.--MajinVegeta 22:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

So it's better to appeal to the smallest group of people? We don't use Japanese titles when there's an English title. No matter if there's more than one name you can use. The Googlehits tell us one thing - Goku is by far the most well-known name for him. "Dragon Ball" +Goku -Gokou gets 1,380,000 hits, "Dragon Ball" +Gokou -Gokou gets 18,300. The most well-known English name should be used - and even though Googlehits are anecdotal, there's a good reason why the NA name far outGoogles Gokou - it started in NA before EU, and it's far more popular in NA.

Besides this argument, it's irrelevant. The fact that there is more than one official name for the character in English does NOT mean that we should be like "That's it! Because of this, NEITHER of you get to be the title! Instead, your second cousin Son Goku gets it!" No matter which ENGLISH name is used, using Son Goku is something for fans of the show, and not for anyone who's researching the show. Wikipedia is not supposed to appeal to people with intricate knowledge - it's for readers who want to find information, not those who added the information. Therefore, can you give us a reason to give a title that is not going to assist in that? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The way I see it is that your asking us to pretty much re-write the whole article, not only change the name. The thing that the Dragon Ball Task Force focuses on is consistency on information presented in the articles. We (me being a member) don't want English names, with Japanese information, it just wouldn't make sense. And we aren't substituting original information (Japanese) for the Information in the dub because the dub is too inconsistent. That was why we decided on original information (including Spellings) in the first place. Unless you can get a bunch of people to dispute alternate spellings, then it shouldn't be changed. And no, it's best to avoid dispute and use the original names, because those spellings can't be disputed. The issue with Dragon Ball is that it's been dubbed, and re-dubbed so many times that original information is lost; this includes FOUR different dubs just for the English language alone! You need to discuss this with the Dragon Ball task force because they are in charge of editing the Dragon Ball articles on Wikipedia. I know that many of them would agree with me, because most of us are very serious about original information and name spellings, and are serious about what infromation gets put in the articles use the official Dragon Ball guide books called the Daizenshuus, which mainly summarize the facts in the Dragon Ball manga (and anime), facts that have been stated and authorized by the man himself: Akira Toriyama. And pardon my rudeness, but does this look like Google?--MajinVegeta 04:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)