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All of this is ridiculous. If people insist on posting "speculation", which is pretty silly by itself, then at the very least they would have to link to non-original research like any other article. Otherwise people are just using Wikipedia to post fan fiction. Schrodingers Mongoose 04:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. There's no point trying to spoil people's anticipation or curiosity about an event that's to come. Wikipedia should be about the interpretation and representation of what's already happened and been seen, etc. There are plenty of blogs out there for spoilers, fan fiction, and speculative nonsense. Bgibson1 05:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC) BGibson1, 11:45 MT[reply]

I've given up trying to revert vandalism because "good people" are editing the page too fast. ThunderE6 02:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ending

  • "Don't stop believing".... in what? "The American Dream" that was what the series, and specifically the episode were all about. Chase ended the episode that way to reinforce what the show portrayed.
  • How did it end was the ending the girl walking through the door? beacuse my TV blanked out for a minute and i think i missed teh ending or maybe that was the ending. please clarify


  • Yea that was the ending. The song was just said "don't stop", which to me says the the series should have gone on. A lot of weird shit though, huh? Does anybody have any idea on the symbolism used thoroughout? I really didn't get most of it. I'm sure someone will post some of it on the main page by tommorrow though. Nonsolumarmis 02:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • totally bizarre ending. looks like david chase is angling for a new season
  • well now they can definetly do that movie theve been talking about
    • bingo


  • What I thought that bit meant was that an assassin walked through the door and shot Tony (and possibly his family) and that the screen went black to symbolize Tony's death, since the series was based around him and in some ways (not literally) shot from his point of view. But it was probably meant to be ambiguous -- it could be that, or just the daughter coming in.
  • That would explain the guy who went to the bathroom. He might have been the killer and killed Tony just as meadow was walking in. Then the screen went black, symbolizing his death Nonsolumarmis 02:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it's just that that's what his life is now. Always looking over his shoulder. Is the guy going to the bathroom or about to pop me? and what about the two blacks guys that just came in? did someone pay them to kill me?
  • I hate to even comment, but this was by far THE WORSE ENDING OF ANY SERIES EVER. The writer should be taken for a ride (j/k). i might have given him a pass if not for the cheesy black screen gag. i admire this show cuz it was original and was the last bastion of real television writers in a world of reality tv and contest shows. Tony Soprano deserved better, HBO deserved better and the audience deserved better.

Scott Free 02:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm pretty sure last week, or two weeks ago, Paulie and Tony were talking and Paulie passively said "I bet you don't even hear it coming". Perhaps that was Tony not hearing his death coming. So it cuts out so suddenly because he was shot in the head. [Matt, not registered]

The episode is left open for interpretation. We can all come up with as wild of an ending as we can imagine, but the truth is, anything that did not happen on the screen, before it went blank, did not happen at all... unless you believe it happened.

In the end, we've all had 6 seasons to imagine what we believe "should" have happened when that screen went blank, and that's you're ending. Very good ending, imo. Could have went gratuitous violence, dreams, or a happy family sit down, all of which we've seen enough of. Instead, they went out tense, nervous, and unsure... which is what the rest of Tony Soprano's life will be.

strait up...that ending sucked

I wipe my post-modern ass with that post-modern ending

  • Tony absolutely DOES NOT need to be included as a death on the page. It was left intentionally ambiguous.

The ending is about TERRORISM and the world today. The tense build meant that we are living our lives on the edge and anything can happen at any second. The reason for the blank screen is that none of us know what is in store in the next minute. We are living minute by minute with a time bomb. It overshadows anything involving the mob.----Tigger

wow, powerful interpretation tigger. or maybe the ending was that they mix up tony's order and he ends up with ketchup instead of mayo on his burger.

Up until the black out, we knew exactly what the build up was about and the 30 seconds of an empty screen are likely filled with him getting shot. But it's interesting the length of the blackout, as if something was happening but we just didn't see it.

  • I really think that the quote from Bobby a few weeks back needs to be added to the page. I have no doubt that Tony was shot...Bobby said "I bet you never hear it coming". The last thing Tony saw was his daughter, the last her heard was "Don't Stop". What the significance of the lyric is, I'm not sure.
  • tony dies, bacala and him were on the boat and bobby asks him about what happens when you die. he says it all goes black. this scene was even shown again in the episode prior. tony does die as everything went black.

The Lady, or the Tiger?


I think that if the cut to black and lack of music has to be read as Tony's death. If they wanted an ambiguous, why not just end the episode? As many people commented, if the black screen was an ambiguous ending, it was a bit lame. I think that we need to give the writers / producers more credit than that - I suspect they thought that it was obvious that he was dead.


Definitely a link to The Lady, or the Tiger?, a classic story that involves the reader as much as it involves good narrative, which in a sense is what this series has done.

Hommage?

  • Was It another Godfather reference?

A Hommage to the scene in the Godfather when whoever comes out of the bathroom??

  • Regardless it sucked ass

know that --ThunderFence 03:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Walden and Twilight Zone

That was Walden who shot Phil, no?

Also, does anyone which Twilight Zone episode that was? MrBlondNYC 03:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What you're gonna do? Everything's black. Kakun 03:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My Thoughts

Perhaps it was Comic Book Guy who said it best: "worst episode ever." After 8 years of nearly uninterrupted genius, David Chase has baffled and infuriated fans with what is arguably the most anti-climactic finale in television history. Throughout the final nine episodes, countless minutes of precious airtime were wasted on irrelevant storylines and characters, culminating in a rushed final episode that touched on everything and resolved nothing. Rumors of a cameo by Joe Pesci, the brutal murder of Butchie by Tony, and flashbacks of the mafia inductions of various important characters turned out to be false; instead, loyal fans were treated to subplots involving Islamic terrorists and a slapped together romance between AJ and a bulimic model. Instead of closure on popular characters that have been with the series from the start, the final episode (and indeed, the final nine) was inexplicably focused on characters that were clumsily introduced during the latter part of the final season.

The Sopranos will always have a place in television history as one of the most critically acclaimed series of all time, but for many fans the final episode will be remembered as a bitter disappointment, the garlicky breath and aftertaste of a sumptuous meal.

YossarianC22 03:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, I think it was the best way to end it. Not only are you left with the same feeling as Tony's character (full of uncertainty for the remainder of your life), you're reminded of how you live your own life. Nothing is certain. It's also a very contemporary American ending, from the materialism used to soothe AJ back into normalcy to the FBI agent's nostalgia for old fashioned organized crime and Tony's way of life instead of the modern, obtuse threats of terrorism that are destroying his health and marriage. And Joe Pesci? Come on. If you really wanted to spend seven years with these characters only to have them ushered out with squibs and fake blood then unfortunately you've entirely missed the subtext and theme of this brilliant show. It's certainly ground-breaking. 74.73.86.222 04:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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