User talk:Taharqa

protection

hey how do u go about getting a page protected. I want to get the Mali Empire page protected. There isn't that much in my opinion that can be done to make it any better (no bragging intended...just opinion) and the article seems more likely to go down than improve because of careless edits of uninformed ppl. If Wikipedia has a success story...this is it. I think it might need semi-protection. the article i read on wiki protection policy wasn't that helpful. holla back as soon as you can. i know ur busy. ONE.Scott Free 15:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thnx bro for the quick reply. knew i could count on uScott Free 18:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Just put in the request. thnx for ur help. this is what I put below...

====Mali Empire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)====

Semi-Protection or full if appropriate - this page has been vandalized over 12 times in the last 6 months. It has a history of being vandalized by unregistered IP addresses. As of late there are also many careless edits being made to the page seriously undermining the progress that has been made in the last year. The article is currently graded GA and it is at risk of going lower if something is not done. ThnkU 4 ur Time.Scott Free 18:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

hope that worksScott Free 18:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Afrocentrism

Just so you know: I'm watching it with you, so please don't get yourself 3RR'ed needlessly.--Ramdrake 21:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanx for looking out Ramdrake!Taharqa 21:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Race and ancient Egypt

Taharqa, I am proposing a discussion about Race and ancient Egypt. Please, participate! I believe we can reach a very good compromise if we want.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 07:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Please Taharqa, react to my proposal of creating a new section as a way of resolving the actual conflit. We have to trust each other!--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 08:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Taharqa, I saw your messages. About the incriminated article, I tougth that it was enough showing to the man who edited it that his fraud is known to make him change his mind! Now, these people who are introducing non-specialist voices in the article are not realising that the article must quote only notable scholars. To say that the article is afrocentric is just a global criticism. They might find particular point to refute. Your responses are very clear about that. Anyway, ancient Egypt is an African civilisation.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 19:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Taharqa! I will try to quote Cheikh Anta Diop and Basil Davidson from books in the section Alleged Eurocentrism in Egyptology. I hope that this time Zerida and others are not going to mix things in the section Ancient writers.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 13:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Moritz, Franz and co

Should we file another RFCU for the socks, or can we just have the already existing one reopened with today's evidence? Not sure, and would appreciate a second opinion.--Ramdrake 21:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

To butt in, maybe another one. Let's see what Taharqa says. - Jeeny ^Talk 21:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

^Yep, I left a message on his page and concur, I feel that the first one was too rushed as more info has piled up after.Taharqa 22:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

For the intervention in my behalf and for your support. Very appreciated.--Ramdrake 22:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Kora and Kaabu

add away by all means, bruh! i've been lax on my west african pages and glad some1 is keepin an eye on em. still stompin thru the "heart of darkenss" over here. thnx for the contrib and ur vigilance. btw, how did those articles work out for u? holla back...Scott Free 18:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering what happened with that (protection of Mali empire). guess we'll just have to keep up our guardianship, lol. no prob tho. Scott Free 18:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I was talking about the articles i sent you (the JSTOR joints). was wondering how those worked out for u.Scott Free 19:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

New Articles

yeah making new articles is pretty easy. u already know most of the edit stuff already. easiest way to start an article is to do a search for it. Assuming the article doesn't alreayd exist, you will be brought to a page with a list of similarly titled articles. At the top, above the list, you will see the subject you looked for in red. click it and you will be brought to a blank page.

start your article from there. Scott Free 19:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding "that" user

We could submit a case with WP:AN/I with several examples of his kind of contribution. While it might not warrant a block, it miht warrant a warning to stop pushing his POV and irrelevant sources with this much insistance. Of course, he should be followed, as perseverance then might warrant a community ban. Regards,--Ramdrake 10:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Although, I'll give him that that his mosr recent contributions seem to be much more balanced. We'll see if it continues this way; if it does, maybe he's learning to temper his opinions, which is good.--Ramdrake 11:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Vandal

I understand your concern, but I did not block for a few reasons. First, the vandal is not active now, and has not been active for more than 24 hours. Second, the IP belongs to Hillsborough County Public Schools, Florida. Since this is a shared IP, it is better not to block it when there is no ongoing vandalism. At this point, the vandal in question has already stopped editing, rendering a block superfluous. bibliomaniac15 Tea anyone? 20:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Population history

Yes that was kinda sneaky, If it doesn't go through the deletion it should just be redirected to the Race and Ancient Egypt article. Muntuwandi 17:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we can just go ahead and redirect it, maybe request that it be protected as well until the protection on the other pages expires. Muntuwandi 17:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary

This edit summary is inappropriate, Taharqa, as I'm sure you know. Please do not accuse other users of being supportive of websites like Stormfront without very good proof. I hope you'll consider apologizing. Picaroon (t) 20:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. My guiding principle on such controversial articles is to just write about what other people have already said with as few adjectives as possible. Picaroon (t) 21:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Cataracts in Jenne

"How credible would you say this assertion is, is it verifiable, and should I feel confident in incorporating the information into the article (on Djenne)? It is cited here (Link) and also claimed in Ivan Van Sertima's book, "Afrikans in Science". Let me know if you have heard anything about this. Peace.."

Whazup, T. I would never use playahata.com as a source, because it rarely says where it's info is coming from. That doesn't mean they are wrong. Most of their info from what I can tell is legit if only a bit sensational. Van Sertima is not a bad source (he's not the best either). I found an excert from another one of his books where he talks about cataract surgery being done in Jenne. I've provided the link to it on googlebooks below...

• http://books.google.com/books?id=ea-dgkryq7AC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=jenne+cataract+surgery&source=web&ots=GQRjzdwPIU&sig=lbHECCBv_npdvnuE3p0wifbmjHI#PPA8,M1

If and when you include this bit of info (the cataract surgery), you can footnote it as follows

I checked out the website for transaction publishers to see if they were flaky or serious. They are, in my opinion, a publisher of repute and specialize in scholarly work. Eurocentrist are gonna bitch for using Van Sertima as a source, but its better than nothing. It's common knowledge that ancient greeks, egyptians and parts of sub-saharan africa (http://www.healthpages.co.nz/index.php?option=com_mtree&task=viewlink&link_id=70684&Itemid=4) did these kind of procedures. The procedure was called "couching" (http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/extracapsular-cataract-extraction).

Hope that's helped. I strongly urge you to include that data. Just make sure to put it into context. Holla.Scott Free 21:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem, cousin. Peace..Scott Free 21:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Gotta be startin somethin

What's happenin, kinfolk. I just finished to a mini-makeover of the Ashanti Empire page. I'd appreciate it if you could take a quick scan over it when u get the time. Spent a couple hours on it last night moving stuff from my Asanteman article (which is now a redirect to Ashanti Empire) into it. I also took a good bit of stuff from the Ashanti Empire page and moved it the Ashanti page. I think that'll satisfy every 1 for the time being. Thnx for having my back on the discussion board. Holla back after u take a swing thru the page. Holla.Scott Free 16:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem..Taharqa 17:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Empires

Whassup, bruh. Hope u remembered to where black yesterday. Yo I know u don't wanna be bugged everytime I start a new article, but I got one that I know u wanted to add to ur "Watch" list. I just started a new article called African Empires. And it is exactly what it sounds like. There is a page for list of largest empires, and that kind of served as the inspiration for the article. I can't organize the list by size just yet cuz I only know the sizes of about a handful of states (Fatimid Empire seems to be the largest ever). I've confined the list only to actual empires. That means that the people who ran the state controlled 2 or more peoples distinct from themselves. They also had to be formed by indigenous or permanent residents of the continent. Plus their capital had to be on the contient as well. Despite how advanced or well known some kingdoms were (Dahomey, Ndongo, etc) they don't make the list cuz they were too localized. Just wanted to hip you to the page. Get back at me when u can and keep up all the good work ur doin. Let me know or simply post on the page any empires I forgot. I cut off the list at 1900. Holla.Scott Free 23:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, bro. won't make that mistake again :) thnks for catchin the kushite empire. can't believe i forgot that. take care...Scott Free 23:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Black people

I inserted Arab World because you do not mention the Arab gulf's involvement which was more extreme. I think a lot is pseculation and unwarranted, such as the following- "generally Arabs are fonder of black females." This doesn't sound good to me at all. It degrades black men and the black slaves that were violated against their will by Arab men, as occured in the USA and Europe. However, I left it for your sake. Blair76 02:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

You should also mention in the article the Blacks in places like Dubai and the Gulf states. There are many black people there and I have yet to see any mention of this. Blair76 02:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

whats up?

I know it's been a while, I just wanted to see what's up with you. I happen to be reading some stuff about the African influence on African-American culture. This is my planned reading list:

• Leroi Jones - Blues People: Negro Music in White America
• Herskovits - The Myth of the Negro Past
• Joseph E. Holloway - Africanisms in American Culture
• Sidney W. Mintz - The Birth of African-American Culture: An Anthropological Perspective

Any comments/suggestions? Peace, --Urthogie 00:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm actually reading Blues People right now and it's really good, but I think he makes some serious errors in his history of slavery and the colonial period in general. Here's an example of one I just found:

"First of all, we know that of all the peoples who form the heterogenous yet almost completely homogenous mass that makes up the United States population, Negroes are the only descendants of people who were not happy to come here."

What about the indentured servants like huge amounts of Irish, right? I guess the good parts of this book are the unique contributions he offers in regards to the history of black music, even if he does make mistakes on the broader historical context at times... Did you notice errors like this when you read him?--Urthogie 03:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

heh, I guess that's giving him the benefit of the doubt big time. Then again, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by reading him despite a lot of his "controversial" comments about Jews. (check out his article :)). Aside from stuff related to black culture, what other fields are you interested in learning about?--Urthogie 04:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Blaming Jews for their involvement in the slave trade is merely an expression of anti-semitism, not the source of it. I happen to have a book open right now that makes the following statement:

"During the antebellum era, Jews owned fewer slaves than free blacks owned and fewer even than American Indians owned. Most Jewish immigrants arrived in the United States years after slavery had been abolished, and most arrived without enough money to buy a single slave, even had slavery still existed."

The footnotes for this statement are immense:

"See, for example, Saul S. Friedman,/ Jews and the American Slave Trade (New Brunswick, N.J. transaction Publishers, 1998), p. 217; David Brion Davis, In the Image of God: Religion, Moral Values, and Our Heritage of Slavery (New Haven:Yale University Press, 2001), p. 71; Larry Koger, Slaveowners: Free Black Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860 (Columbia, S.C.: University of South Carolina Press, 1995); David C. Rankin, "The Impact of the Civil War on the Free Colored Community of New Orleans,' Perspectives in American History,Vol. XI (1977-78), pp. 380, 385;Willard B. Gatewood, Aristocrats of Color: The Black Elite, 1880-1920 (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1990), p. 83; Ira Berlin, Slaves without Masters (New York: Pantheon Books, 1974), pp. 124, 386; Eugene D. Genovese,"The Slave States of North America," Neither Slave Nor Free: The Freedmen of African Descent in the Slave Societies of the New World (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1972), edited by David W. Cohen and Jack P. Greene, pp. 270; Philip D. Morgan, "Black Life in Eighteenth-Century Charleston," Perspectives in American History, New Series,Vol. I (1984), p. 212; Bernard E. Powers,Jr.,Black Charlestonians.A Social History, 1822-1885 (Fayetteville: University of Arkansas Press, 1994), pp. 48-50,72."

If the slave-trade were the issue, then why isn't prejudice directed against Arabs or American-Indians? I think the real source of the anti-semitism in the black community is the fact that, like the Korean shop owners, they have succeeded despite being different from the majority. It's basically a way of saying "we're the true victims", etc...

Anyways, I took this book by Baraka out of the library knowing already that this guy hates white people and Jews...(For more info on his comments, check out the ADL page on him)

I think that it is a great book despite that, because it is regarded as one of the best histories of blues music, and on a larger level, the influence of African culture on African-Americans. So, basically, this guy is pretty racist and an anti-semite to boot, but he's a great writer.

You still didn't answer my question though... aside from black culture what are your main scholarly interests or pursuits?--Urthogie

The word anti-Semitic is used not because it refers to Semitic peoples or languages, but because of plain history. The word was invented by Germans who hated Jews, and weren't thinking about Arabs or Ethiopians. Only in modern times has the confusion arisen where people think it has anything to do with the language group called Semites. If Jews could think up their own word for hatred of Jews we might use something like Anti-Jewish, but it's not our fault that another word has been popularized by other people who hate us. (For more info on the word see its article's etymology section). Like I said, minor reasons like this have nothing to do with Nation of Islam's antisemitism... it goes deeper than that I think.

I'm studying biochemistry, but earlier in college was I was studying journalism. I worked at an internship at the Village Voice this past summer, which was pretty cool. We made some investigations which revealed some criticizing info about Giuliani. Also, I forgot to mention that I happen to be taking a class on pre-Colonial Africa in college right now, and so far we've learned about the empire of Mali and read the Sundiata epic.--Urthogie 14:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Franco-Dahomean Wars

What's good, bruh. I just finished two articles on the Franco-Dahomean Wars. As I'm sure u already know, these articles are about the conflict between the French Third Republic and the Kingdom of Dahomey. Very interesting reading. Peep the articles when u get a second (First Franco-Dahomean War and Second Franco-Dahomean War). i'm pretty proud of these joints. Oh and thnx for ur for on the African Empires page. I still haven't got all the nuances of inline citations down just yet. Take care and keep up the good work!  :) Scott Free 13:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)