Talk:Halo 3

People, do not git rid of the "[citation needed]s".

SpigotMap will agree that any info on here that is not sourced needs to have a citation needed tag, if you get rid of it then provide a source that does back up this claime. Duff man2007 04:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Please give WP:POINT a good reading. What you are doing here is trying to make a point by disrupting wikipedia. Please refrain from doing this in the future. SpigotMap 05:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

LOCK THIS PAGE NOW!

With the release of the game within two weeks, it's without a doubt this page will be more frequently visited as well as revised by people who'll most likely add false information as with any other popular wiki entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.72.96.113 (talk) 10:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It is already protected against editing by people who aren't logged in and by people who have just created an account. The only time we fully protect a page (so that only administrators can edit it) is when there is an edit war or some other complicated circumstances which don't apply here. See the protection policy for more information. James086^{Talk | Email} 13:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

well that and there has been confirmed reports that the game has been leaked also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ripster40 (talk • contribs) 03:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Just because the release is coming up does not mean that the article should be uner protection. Protection should only be done when problems occur. -Anon

The page wasn't s-protected because the release was coming up...it was s-protected because there were abundant problems. AKRadecki^Speaketh 16:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

"saved films"

I created this entry yesterday, it was deleted by Duffman, its inappropriate to censor a talk page. fyi. The below point is imo essential to maintaining Wikipedias neutrality. within the article it reads like marketing and includes a quote from the developer that also sounds like marketing advertising. below is what i posted to the talk page yesterday night. Duffman, if you have an issue with this comment please raise it in talk, don't simply edit this page please.

This 'feature' is really overdiscussed in this article, especially as it makes it sound new to gaming or halo. Everywhere else in gaming this is simply called a "demo". Every fps since doom has allowed for their creation, even strategy games offer this. If anything, the only notable thing about this is that console gaming is beginning to adopt more and more features that've been standard in pc gaming for a long time, due to increased focus on multiplayer. Recommend either rewording this or deleting altogether. this is my first ever contrib to wikipedia and i have no other involvement in the article so will hold off on doing it myself for now.- skelebones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.48.65 (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

First off, Duffman has been violating many rules lately so don't take his edits personally. As for the saved films section, I would argue that it is a feature of note. First off the way it handles it by recording game data and re-rendering it using the in-game engine is a pretty rare thing. Even for PC games the ability to disconnect the camera and move around the action during the playback is nearly unheard of. I don't know for sure if it even has been done, but I remember hearing it had (anyone got a source?). The vast majority of game recorders just record a video file that takes up far more space. Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it has ever been done on consoles before which makes this info of note and something that sets this piece of software apart from its competitors. It could use some minor changes to make it sounds less like a PR rep typed it, but I don't think it should be removed entirely.157.174.221.169 19:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

About rewording he article to focus on the aspect of being new to consoles, i agree entirely. However that is the lone aspect that makes this noteworthy. All fps' record the game using in game data, and render it with the ingame engine. Also, since Quake3 most engines have been able to manipulate angle/style of camera while watching the playback. These features are not notable or innovative. The fact that this feature is finally being released on a console game IS notable, but the current article does not reflect this or even mention it. I propose that the section be considerably shortened and only deal with notable aspects of the feature. - Skelebones 142.106.63.213 20:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I've added a clarification that it is not new. But, since Replay (computer games) has not yet been created at the time of my writing, the extra explaination is useful, i feel, in explaining exactly what it is. As soon as Replay (computer games) is created however, large parts of the section could be deleted in favour of explaination in that page. Feel free to create the page. I'm supposed to be writing an Essay atm anyway >.< RC Master 19:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Sources for prices

Does anyone have a source for the price data? The Euro prices seem especially off. I really can't imagine the Legendary edition being that much more expensive, than the UK one.157.174.221.169 19:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, we typically don't include pricing information in encyclopedia articles. Unless someone comes up with a good reason - in terms of our guidelines - to keep it, I will be deleting this. AKRadecki^Speaketh 19:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It has now been removed, and for anyone who's offended by this, please read WP:NOT paragraph 2.6 item 4. We aren't a price guide, and we don't generally put prices of products in articles. There's plenty of fan forums where this is more appropriate. AKRadecki^Speaketh 02:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

1up's last update

http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3161338 The last box is open (9/12/07) They now have 33 exclusive new screenshots if you didn't already know. 12 DAYS LEFT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 22:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

*sigh* Please read WP:NOT#FORUM... Stryik 00:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

What happened to 1080p?

I remember Bungie having said that Halo 3 would only support 720p for the longest time. Then, in a weekly update, they mentioned that Halo 3 would supprt 1080p. I don't have a link right now, but i do remembre reading it. So who took it out? Newmansan 23:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The game runs in 720p and then (if the settings on your xbox 360 say 1080p) it converts the signal to 1080p. Also if you play it on 480p (standard definition) the xbox has to change the signal into a lower resolution. The game's "natural" resolution is 720p so that's the only one in the article, otherwise every Xbox 360 game would say 480p, 1080i, 720p, 1080p. James086^{Talk | Email} 00:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone else think this is very misleading? Not just for this page but all video game pages. It would be much better if it specifically stated "Native Resolution" since it does support all of the others.157.174.221.167 17:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Just an FYI: 480P (480 lines of resolution, progressive scanned) is not standard definition. Standard definition is 480I (interlaced). Additionally, the Xbox 360 is not capable of displaying 1080P. It is capable of 720P or 1080I, which are both forms of high-definition. 68.143.88.2 12:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

My Xbox 360 has no problem with 1080p. It does support 1080p although the games output in 720p, the signal is then modified by the Xbox 360 to to fit 1080p, it is also modified down to 480p for SDTV if your settings tell it to. SDTV does vary between regions however so in some places 480i is available while in others 480p is available but both are considered SDTV. See Xbox 360 hardware#Audio and video for more info about the 360. James086^{Talk | Email} 13:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

So, you're saying that a red-laser, standard definition DVD reader (like the one in an Xbox 360) can read/produce the same resolution as an HD-DVD player; roughly 4x the amount of data? How can a device that a) Cannot read that high of a resolution b) isn't compatible with media in that resolution, and c) can not produce images in such high resolution actually make 1080p? I understand that it can "up convert" (which is really pointless as that is comparable to digital zoom on a camera), however it is NOT true 1080p. Any yes, 480i is standard definition anywhere in North America. 68.143.88.2 17:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

So you're saying that the color of a laser magically makes a graphics chip unable to render at a given resolution? The laser reads the disc. The CPU takes the data from the disc and puts it into ram. It is then read out of ram. Say you have an entire book. You read the book with your eyes and punch it into a computer. Once the book is punched into the computer, the computer can access the entire book. But your eyes cannot read more than so much at once and your fingers can only type so much at once. Are you saying that your eyes make the computer unable to display the entire chapters of a book at once? A programmer can only type in code so fast. Are you saying that the speed of a programmer's ability to type in working code makes the computer (or XBox360, and yes it is a computer, all game consoles are technically computers) unable to execute code at the full speed of the processor? NO! THINK man, THINK! 24.254.141.144 01:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes because the image is being generated by the Xbox 360. With a HD-DVD for a movie, all of what you see on the screen is stored in the disc, the movie is just a video file. Because it's HD the file is larger than SD. With a video game however, the image is generated by the console, not just read off the disc. Xbox 360 games don't output in 1080p, they output in 720p which is then modified (yes comparable to digital zoom on a camera). To answer your questions: a) "Cannot read that high of a resolution"; I think you mean can't read HD-DVD's or Blu-ray discs because they use a shorter wavelength? That's correct but if you wrote a HD movie onto a standard DVD it would work, it's just that you would only get about 30 minutes of video in that amount of data storage. A DVD player could not read it because it's not programmed to read HD signals, but the file could (probably) be read by a HD-DVD compatible computer. b) With regard to "isn't compatible with media in that resolution", the Xbox 360 is, it can output 720p, 1080i or 1080p. There is a USB attachment with a HD-DVD reader (see Xbox 360 accessories#HD DVD Player). This sends a HD signal to the Xbox 360 which is connected to the tv. c) It does produce images in 1080p such as the dashboard but the games are upscaled as you said. I live in Australia where 480p is standard (we use PAL not NTSC). James086^{Talk | Email} 00:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

"Demise of Master Chief"

"Recent promotional items have had a strong memorial feeling to them, hinting at the demise of Master Chief, though strictly through speculative circumstantial evidence.[29]"

The last time I checked, an encyclopaedia was a place for facts, not rumours on gamestooge.com. This quote cites a source, but that source is nevertheless just speculation.

Shouldn't this be taken out? SplinterCell37 00:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

WP is not a place for speculation - I'll be deleting it. Stryik 00:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Additionally this should be probably be under the Marketing for Halo 3 article.157.174.221.168 21:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 runs in 720p so having a 1080p television actually makes the game look worse because it has to be scaled up. http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12392 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.252.201.143 (talk) 08:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

^^^^^^^He knows exactly what he's talking about. (however, a TV that is 1080p compatible is going to be 720p or 1080I compatible as well). 68.143.88.2 17:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

According to the memorial for the Human-Covenant War on Halo3.com, the Master Chief is captured in the Battle for New Mombasa. That probably means he's dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.111.135 (talk) 00:40, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

If you watch the ending cutscene on youtube, he doesn't die. I say take it off ASAP. --69.152.249.245 04:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Table of versions

The table with the differences in versions of the game was removed, presumably while someone removed the prices of the game. Though I felt that the table of differences in versions was quite a good way to show the differences quickly, so I added it back, albeit without the prices of the game. -Jort227 14:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Seems appropriate. Unless that still goes under WP:NOT? But I figure it'd still be useful to know Stryik 01:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be in there, it provides a lot of information in a compact and very clear manner. I'd definitely support the table being included. James086^{Talk | Email} 08:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[TABLE] Wasn't there a table here comparing the different Halo versions?

I could swear that I saw it here, it is driving me crazy it was a very detailed table that compared the different versions, we should make one. -Sox207 02:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

All the content is still there, in paragraph form. No need for a table, really. David Fuchs ^(talk) 13:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. I think the table form is much better to quickly show the differences between the 3 versions. Off course the paragraph form can still exist, but as a "summary" I think the table should be in the article as well (which I've mentioned in a few threads above) -Jort227 15:55, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes an encyclopedia should also be able to convey points quickly, that is why we have Infoboxes for different pages.

Features	Standard	Collector's	Legendary
Game Disc & Manual	Yes	Yes	Yes
Interactive Xbox 360 Disc	No	Yes	Yes
Beastiarum	No	Yes (book)	Yes (DVD)
Legendary DVD	No	No	Yes
Master Chief Helmet replica	No	No	Yes

I put the table here so that we don't have to go through the history if we put it back, and people know what we are talking about. -Sox207 15:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

four million preorders?

According to this article from may... http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com/article/Halo_3/3837.html

There were already 4 million preorders at gamestop alone. -Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.42.176.201 (talk) 16:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Another article: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-gamestop_15bus.ART0.State.Edition1.35a99d8.html

"Mr. DeMatteo said his company will receive 160 trailer loads of Halo 3 discs for the launch, and GameStop has taken more preorders for the game than any other in its history." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.128.209 (talk) 19:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

People losing their job s

Rumors have been roaming around that people at Gamestop and ebgames have been caught playing halo 3 early, and getting fired for doing so. iTry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.59.2 (talk) 19:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Not really a point for a wikipedia article, but you're right. The reps from gamestop said a while back that any employee even caught opening the boxes early would be immediately fired.157.174.221.168 20:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Show off the graphics...

I really think we should get some pictures showing off the graphics, since there's so much criticism of them. Here is a perfect example of how perfect the graphics are - [1], can we add that to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.167.120.2 (talk) 00:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

As long as it passes all copyright restrictions (fair use policy and all that), and it helps the article explain a point or something, which a good pic would, then yes add it in. A good representative picture helps explain not only the graphics engine, but also the basic artistic direction and whatnot. Beta shots are technically misleading so try and replace one of those if you get a good one.157.174.221.168 18:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Aaaah... unfortunately I don't know how to put pictures in.--58.167.120.2 08:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

See the Wikipedia Article for Images for futher reading. Neobros 08:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

1080p

The game is coming out in 1080p so the page should be edited to show this Xbox.com australia halo 3 info site —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.46.211 (talk) 08:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

the xbox360 hardware will scale any game up to 1080p, but the native resolution of the vast majority of them is 720p, like Halo 3. I agree that someone with access should reword the template to say "native resolution" or something along those lines to point out that it will in fact display up to and including 1080p. The way it reads now is wayyyy too easy too misinterpret. God knows Wikipedia doesn't need any more reasons to claim that it is inaccurate.157.174.221.168 18:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The native resolution on ANY Xbox 360 game will be 480P. Like I said towards the top of this article... The DVD reader in the Xbox 360 is STANDARD...not HD, not Blu-ray....standard. Which means... it can only read 480 lines of resolution, progressively scanned, at a time. No more. 1080I, 720P, 1080P, are all enhanced (up converted).

The 360 can play games at 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p. Not many games have a 1080p native resolution. Game resolution has nothing to do with BD or HD-DVD. Most games are natively 720p to preserve a good frame rate. 720p implies 480i/480p is also supported. The drive specifications are meaningless in relation to what resolution the game plays in. For instance Pc games come on CD-roms and for about 15 years now they commonly come in basically 720p (1024x768). In the last 5 resolutions of 2048x1536 have become semi-common. Non of it has anything to do with the game media. Native resolution is simply the resolution the developers wish it to output. PS. 1080p is only possible through HDMI due to several design choices made by the various interested parties.142.179.200.76 15:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

What the heck? I apologise for the harsh tone but this has to be said. Look people, the XBox360's games are not DVD movies. They're video games. A computer that lacks a DVD drive, only has a CD drive, it can produce 1080 images. Heck, it can do that if it doesn't even have a CD drive, just a floppy drive. Or just any way to get data into it at all. You know why? Because it's not a movie. It's a graphics chip. The laser has nothing to do with the graphics chip. The laser and type of disc or drive has nothing to do with the number of lines. The compression does. The laser is not writing to the screen. The television is. The laser is not putting the signal onto the line going to the TV, the graphics chip is. HD-DVDs use MPEG2 which is not the most efficient. You can fit DVD quality video onto a CD using MPEG4. But that's just movies, FMV, frame by frame videos. You can also fit HD-DVD onto DVD by using MPEG4. It's just that MPEG2 is cheaper to impliment because it doesn't require as much cpu power. The laser on the drive and the drive itself has NOTHING to do with DYNAMICALLY GENERATED GRAPHICS. I am SO frustrated at the EXTREMELY prevailant discussions on this talk page that are made by people confusing mpeg2 video compression. Are you people saying that I can't run BioShock on my PC at resolutions higher than 1080p because the game comes on DVD and I only have a DVD drive? Either all these people are incredibly good at joking or they're complete idiots. I don't care what resolution Halo3 runs at, I don't even own an XBox360. But at least I know that red lasers and blue lasers are not magic. All they affect is how much data the disc can store, not the resolution of the FREAKING GRAPHICS CHIP 24.254.141.144 01:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

Gyrferret 03:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)The Page REALLY DOESN'T Need a "miscellaneous" section about the achievements and the "fauna". The people that do put those up are simply finding an excuse to put up every trivial little detail about the game up. Please... take it down and leave it down....

Vehicles

I suggest we make a seperate article about the vehicles in the Halo triogy. There's no mention of the vehicles in either Halo or Halo 2, and only a brief section on the new vehicles here. Stormfin 00:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

See WP:NOT#GUIDE ♦^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 01:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

What's that supposed to mean? All I'm saying is that we should mention the new vehicles, what's new about the old vehicles, and a storyline reference to it. Or at least seperate article detailing it.Stormfin 02:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Archiving

I just archived this talk page up to the end of August but seeing as it still has 37 sections, most of which are forgotten now, I suggest another archive before September 25. Would anyone have any objections to archiving it again on the 24th or about then because I expect a lot of traffic, especially since anons can't edit the actual article they will probably turn their attention to the talk. James086^{Talk | Email} 09:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. I probably won't be around to do this myself (trying to avoid spoilers) but it needs to be done for a fresh article discusion in a post-halo 3-release situation. RC Master 19:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Aye. Fold all it up right before it comes out, and we'll have a clean slate. At the same time I'll be archiving the article and revamping the front. David Fuchs ^(talk) 20:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Advert tag on page

I think the reason that this page seems sort of like an advertisement is because it uses a lot of quotations from Bungie employees who are of course biased. Unfortunately since the game is not released yet, they are the only real source of verifiable info. If anyone can think of a way to rewrite the quoted parts to sound less like they're written by a PR rep, please do. Just try not to sacrifice encyclopedic knowledge to do so.157.174.221.168 18:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

If you rewrite a direct quote, it isn't really a quote anymore, is it? Besides, look at other good articles. They all have those quote boxes--$UIT 02:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I mean a lot of the stuff that is written in the article itself (not the separate quotations) is actually directly quoted, but not marked as such. Having quotes is good, copy/pasting info straight from a Bungie employee to make up the body of the article is not. I'm not saying the article is terrible or even incorrect, but if we want Featured article status, this is the kind of change that will need to be made.157.174.221.169 18:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't sound like an advertisement to me so much as it is just listing the product's features. Since when the page loads much of the top of the article is taken up by banners, I will remove the advertisement tag until it is voted on.TyGuy92 21:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Jonathon Ross

Jonathon Ross (he's really famous in the UK, for any American readers) has done a voice in Halo 3. This definately deserves a mention as voice acting information has been really slim on this article. Sources are as follows [A website source] [a newspaper spread source] and [a newspaper article source]. No word yet on if he is going to be playing a Bwute or a Mawine. The sources state that he has provided his voice for fRee. Please do not delete this reference again and please DO feel free to create and expand the voice acting section. Thank you JayKeaton 18:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you give me the citation for the news clipping? The scan doesn't have anything about the publication, date, issue, etc. David Fuchs ^(talk) 20:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

How is he the voice of?82.69.109.123 11:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I presume you mean who? I'm not sure but it's either a marine or an alien (see the scans linked above). James086^{Talk | Email} 11:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

If you are trying to say that I forged those paper clippings and hijacked the official gamesindustry.biz website to plant that article there, then you are very wrong. JayKeaton 20:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

(Were you referring to me?) No, it's just we need the source for a proper citation- linking to an image isn't proper. David Fuchs ^(talk) 13:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I changed the sentence mentioning this guy from "Celebrities such as Jonathon Ross" to "Celebrity Jonathon Ross" unless anyone has information on other celebrities making cameo voice acting appearances. ZG 18:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Somebody badly messed it up and I am going to try to fix it. Dont get mad at me if I make a mistake and revert someones edit, just tell me, Excuse me, problem solved by someone else anyway.

You can see if any edits were missing by comparing page history [here]. If you compare pages the last known genuine edits, which happen to be a bot called "ClueBot", to the last revert of vandalism, happens to be mine, you can see if anything was lost, [you can see that nothing was lost]. The next and last non vandal edit was by a user called "Floaterfluss", he reverted the vandalism but also changed some text, [you can see that one small edit of his was lost]. I don't think that "renditions" over "games" is a good edit anyway as it does not suit dictionary definitions of "rendition" very well, so I will leave it as it is. JayKeaton 23:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually i was reading that backwards, Floater actually changed it to "games" from "renditions". I agree with that choice so I will add it in manually. JayKeaton 23:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Isolation Revealed!

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/820/820585p1.html Looks like a pretty fun map —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 23:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like that is an official interview with Bunjies level designer, so there is probably some useful information there and maybe some quote that would be good for the Halo 3 page JayKeaton 23:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Critical reception

First review is in for Halo 3. It's time to start formatting that section so it looks good. It's rudimentary for now, but that's definitely going to change soon. Fortunately, there's an embargo til 12mid pacific on day of release. JAF1970 16:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

argos

I looks like argos (argos.co.uk) has already sold some copies of halo 3 to a lucky few.. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28316/Argos-We-didnt-deliberately-break-Halo-3-street-date just trivia might be suitable for a launch section if you have one..87.102.116.240 17:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

A separate section (maybe a separate page if it gets too cumbersome) about the launch might be useful as there should be a lot of news about the record breaking, long lines, people getting stabbed, etc.157.174.221.169 15:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

There should also be in that pre-release section about the massive file sharing, thousands of people are playing Halo 3 right now and that definitely deserves a mention, especially as the gaming press are reporting it which gives it default notability JayKeaton 20:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

NEW ViDOC!

Bungie released a new ViDOC about saved films and forge, http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=h3savedfilms —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 21:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Good find. Lets get some people on extrapolating useful stuff we can add to the article from that. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 22:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

September 25

Some idiots keep taking Halo 3 off calender of 25 September. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.111.39 (talk) 23:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Try reading the rules before posting things in the calender. Games are not considered good enough for event moments. Even Halo 3 gets no recognition. 24.226.195.58 12:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The main reason it is repeatedly removed from the date article is because it has not yet occurred. Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:September 25 to discuss this issue and remember to remain civil. James086^{Talk | Email} 12:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

ummmm...just an FYI. James086 is correct, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Additionally, 24.226.195.58 is wrong, if an event is notable (and I think the largest revenue grossing media event in history is notable), then it DOES belong in the calender. 68.143.88.2 14:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The release of the game is not the notable action, the record being broken is. As long as you focus the calender post around that, you should be fine. Oh and it can't be done until after the action has actually occured.157.174.221.169 16:48, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

The calendar is for notable events, not fancruft. Even the record being broken isn't notable enough to be on the calendar...unless there is some notable event attached to it (i.e. "Riots break out in cities throughout the U.S. as disgruntled fans are upset at the lack of supply of Halo 3). -- 12.116.162.162 17:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

^^^^^luckily, people like this guy doesn't make up the policy. 68.143.88.2 18:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore...ummmm....largest revenue grossing media event in history...ummm....yeah... NOTABLE! Duh 68.143.88.2 18:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Suggest for new article

I personally think an article needs to be created about the anxiety gamers experience in waiting and what seems infinite anticipation for the release of this game. Every time I think about Halo 3, and they fact that I can't play it until Tuesday, my heart skips a beat and I'm afraid something might happen before now and then. (I'm going to lock myself in a padded room with a doctor on call 24/7 to help ensure my survival until Tuesday). :) 68.143.88.2 14:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

"a very positive review considering Japan's overall dislike of First-Person Shooters". Does that statement seem a little biased to anyone? I'll be honest, I have heard Japan is'nt to keen on FPS myself but perhaps it should have a second look. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.84.99 (talk) 18:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

"very" is definately POV, but the rest isn't so much. Just needs to be worded better JayKeaton 21:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Also "overall" should probably be changed to something like "general" or "typical" or something that doesn't imply that it is a universal opinion of all Japanese gamers.157.174.221.169 16:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Perminant Lock?

I think this needs to be locked until it's release. Too many "leaks" have been leaked out.205.213.111.54 19:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia does not bend to Microsofts release plan. This article should have clear sections detailing the prerelease, the online leaks, videos of the final version of the game being put on YouTube and things like bungie.net doing flat out bans for anyone that mentions that they have played a prerelease/downloaded copy of the game. Since when does wikipedia roll over and die because a company is scared about leaks over their big title of the year ruining their thunder? If it was flat out blocked now then days worth of information would be missed out on, who knows what will happen, MS could order non disclosure orders on gaming websites, there could be mass bannings of Xbox Live accounts for people that bought the game early... it would be insane to lock the page down now. It has already been locked to new users and that is just what should happen, anything else would be a knee jerk reaction JayKeaton 21:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The page is currently semi-protected meaning people who aren't logged in and very new users can't edit it. Full protection would prevent many good users editing and that's not worth the convenience of not needing to revert a bit of unhelpful info. James086^{Talk | Email} 04:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

VH1 and MTV are showing old-reruns once Halo 3 comes out. A coincidence or was it planned?

If this was planned we should definitely add this in, obviously. Question is, how can we find out??

Btw, if it was planned it's obvious why they did this. Shutup999 21:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. But even still, I would like to think that VH1 and MTV would use that time slot to appeal to a non gaming audience if they seriously thought enough viewers were not watching their channels. I think it is not even a coincidence, the American new tv season thing doesn't start until a few days after Halo 3 comes out. But most of all, no television station can afford to rearrange their whole programming around the chance that no one would watch it, too much lost revenue JayKeaton 04:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. So do you think we should add this in? On how those major networks did this for Halo 3? It is notable info. Shutup999 05:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

That would be a negative. I doubt the release of this, or any, videogame would even be a blip on a networks radar. If you can find a genuine article mentioning it it would be worth a mention, but I think that would be very hard to find, if it all. It would be fascinating if you could prove it, but alas it is unprovable JayKeaton 06:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Without a source, this is all original research, and cannot be added. -- Viewdrix 07:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

First of all, Halo 3 is supposed to be beat out Halo 2 in pre-order sales. And we all know what happened with Halo 2 and it's record breaking impact right? Exactly. So I doubt it would be that absurd for them to do this. And yes they are doing this. If you have DISH or something just keep on skipping forward on their schedule and you'll notice this. VH1 is doin gan all day re-run of I LOVE THE 90s: PART DUEX or something. and MTV is doing an all day re-run of AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL or something like that. Like I said, it would be amazing if one of us could contact MTV or VH1 and ask the questions. Shutup999 09:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

MTV have actually been doing their own Halo 3 themed events and may even do something on the launch day. And looking back 7 days before the launch, the tv lineup is just as uninspiring. Anything posted on Wikipedia has to be able to be verified by someone else, like someone that's published a medical journal, or the opinions of a famous tv critic, which is impossible for this. JayKeaton 10:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Nine Inch Nails

I've periodically kept track of this article to make sure that the "Head Like A Whole" tl:for link, which fails to meet guidelines for notability and WP:SPAM, stays off. I was happy to see that the edits were kept off for the most part, but it seems a user added it again. I deleted it and will continue to do so, a RfC has already occurred, it does not seem the discussion was archived and this talk page has been wiped several times since then. Consensus decision on this was to keep the for link OFF the page and it stayed off for nearly half a year, so let's not start up an old argument again just because the game is about to be released. "Halo 3" is specifically and unambiguously the name of a notable video game and nothing else of note, therefore no tl:for or other disambiguation is required. Drop it. ZG 21:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The RfC is found here at: Talk:Halo 3/Archive 5#Request for Comment. Incidentally, the for links are still on Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2. David Fuchs ^(talk) 22:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see that the RfC is conclusively; it's hardly unilateral. Chris Cunningham 10:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I took the ones off of Halo and Halo2, and added a comment saying stop effing adding the Nine Inch Nails thing. Doubt it will work. The Walkin Dude 00:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

No, it didn't, and less of the incivility, thanks.

It's crazy that someone went to the effort of RFCing this. It's one line for the sake of consistency, and it means that articles written about Nine Inch Nails which happen to lazily link to Halo 2 without considering that there might be a video game there (as opposed to most other Halo articles) don't leave readers lost when they visit the links. Spam my eye. Chris Cunningham 10:43, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Calling those who work on these articles 'kids' is rather patronizing too, bud. David Fuchs ^(talk) 15:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thing is, everyone who knows enough about Reznor's idiosyncratic naming scheme is also aware that albums have real names. The few people in the world who actually refer to NIN works exclusively by "Halo" designation should be careful to not push their pretensions too far, lest they continue wasting time and attention of the vast majority of visitors who have to read a disambig notice and wonder just who the hell would confuse a videogame with an obscure alternate title for an album. Problem with redirects? Fix 'em. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 11:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps those NIN articles which "lazily" link to halo whatever should be cleaned up to avoid double redirects. But more importantly, it's just not notable outside of the NIN fan base. No-one is reasonably going to arrive at Halo 3 looking for a nine inch nails song.--Yeti Hunter 13:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

There's also the fact that on all the NIN albums with this alternative name, it's always "HALO_01", "HALO_02", etc., so the chances of Mr. Everyman looking for 'Halo 2' is even less likely. David Fuchs ^(talk) 14:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

leak and prerelease

I just added the following. It is all fact, all sourced and all confirmed by reputable sources, please do not delete it, but feel free to improve it:

Pre-release and piracy
A week before Halo 3 was due for release, major UK catalogue retailer Argos accidently released some of their final retail copies of Halo 3. Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division were quoted as being "disappointed that it happened" but that "it was just an honest mistake" and that Microsoft had no intention of punishing Argos for the error.[32]

Halo 3 was also leaked online over a week before it's official release. The 6.14 gigabyte file of the game was hacked and downloaded by "thousands" of people within 24 hours of the leak. Also at this time, spoilers from the leaked copy of Halo 3 were captured and posted on popular file sharing sites like YouTube.[33]

JayKeaton 04:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Only a few more days...

I created a rough skeleton of what I assume the complete, post release article will take and put it here. My suggestion is that the day before the official release, we copy all the content on the article page over to /prerelease, paste in the article skeleton and add in relevant chunks from there. We should also archive all comments here and upon release be vigilant about forum discussions and to just remove them. David Fuchs ^(talk) 14:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments are already archived as they need to be and you can look at the article as it was at any time by going into the history. You can even link to certain forms, like [this one is from one day ago]. And don't forget, a lot of people already have the retail copy of the game and they have finished it, as well as the many that have downloaded Halo 3 and finished it. You know how people are, a store accidently sells them this years biggest game a week early and what will they do? They will come to Wikipedia to update what they have learned. Just keep that in mind as they haven't broken any rules, they have legitimate copies, they have read the entirety of the instruction booklet (in fact there are several scans of the booklet online) so you may have to assume good faith with some edits, put citation tags on things that could very well be fact and blam anything that is bullshit. All of the "game" related edits should be cornered into one section, like gameplay or summat, so there is room for updates that come straight from Bungie, the general press and the gaming press (which, obviously, is instantly verifiable) JayKeaton 14:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

You're missing the point. A) It is much easier to copy and paste info from another page then it is from an old version, and 3/4ths of the crap on the page right now should not be in the article. Secondly, we are not a forum, and so people posting 'OMG LOLZ WHAT AN ENDING' will have their comments removed. This is about improvement of the article, not discussion of the game. And what do you mean by 'game-related edits should be cornered in one section'- is not the game the point of the article? David Fuchs ^(talk) 15:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Dude, this is Wikipedia and I have been using it for more than a few weeks, you do not need to tell me "it is not a forum", so I do not know why are you are even saying that. As for the third, take a look at Halo 2, some of the page discusses the actual game, some of it discusses the games sales and impact. I must be missing the point, with only 46 hours until this mammoth title comes out, I do not see the point in copying the article somewhere else into a /sandbox when efforts should be made on the article itself JayKeaton 16:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not a sandbox. Read the archives, and you'll see the editors agreed this would be a good idea. David Fuchs ^(talk) 17:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Basically the subpage (/prerelease) will be an stored version of the article (yes like a revision in the article history) but it allows us to easily and quickly get information from the old version without sorting through the history. The plan is not to edit the stored version, rather it's an easy way of refering to the old revision of the article. On Sept. 25 the article is going to undergo a big change and this helps keep it under control. When David is said that we should remove "discussion of the game" he meant talk page comments not related to the article (like "wow this game is so good" or "how cool is the the level Tzavo Highway?"), we should remove them, not archive them. When he mentioned archiving he was refering to this section where there was no opposition to archiving this talk page on September 24 because of the huge amount traffic expected the next few days. Oh and this is what I think David meant, correct me if I'm wrong. James086^{Talk | Email} 02:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Comparing history points would be easier then, as it actually highlights any changes made JayKeaton 05:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Well we find it easier to have a separate page that is always on that revision instead of adding a page in the history to favourites or something. If you find it easier to use the history as a reference point then by all means do so. James086^{Talk | Email} 07:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I would, but a method of editing that is crafted around an obsolete version seems pointless and it'd get in the way of anyone that is editing the article in the normal way JayKeaton 18:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Then you update the page your way, and leave us to our "pointless" methods. David Fuchs ^(talk) 19:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Order of release

For the countries that have a release date of Sept 25th, the order of release is "Australia, Singapore, India, Canada, Brazil and United States", as in it is the 25th of Sept in Australia 14 hours before the United States, and so on. It makes absolute sense that the countries are listed in order of release instead of just listed randomy JayKeaton 16:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 already started

If you go to www.bungie.net and click on the big '3' on the homepage, people are already playing halo 3 multiplayer. How are they doing that if the game doesn't come out until Tuesday? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 16:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

it cud b that they'r eithr bungie employees/friends/family members of bungie employees, or that they just won special contests and got to play the game early —Preceding unsigned comment added by Discopete117 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The game was leaked by some UK manufacturer, Argos. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 19:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

There have also been retailers who accidentally released the game early, and the game has also been sighted on ebay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.42.176.201 (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I asked on the forums yesterday and was told that MOST of the people currently playing are Bungie employees, or reviewers who are given copies early so they can have reviews ready. Very few people actually got legal leaked copies, and the pirated versions won't play on xbox live.157.174.221.169 16:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Custom soundtracks

I added the citation requested to article. Here's link: Bungie Podcast: So Long mentioned at about 36:36 into podcast. I'm not completely sure if I did everything right. Cheers. --Robert Harrison^{talk contrib} 17:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks good! SpigotMap 17:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

...Not sure why this is significant. ALL xbox 360 games support custom soundtracks. it is a feature of the 360, and all 360 games are required to support it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.42.176.201 (talk) 19:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

That is not actually correct. Nice try though. I've readded it. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 21:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

No, the standard is that every game should have custom soundtracks. In any case, feel free to mention it in the article, but it isn't even near notable enough for its own section. -- Viewdrix 22:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Maps

Why isn't there a category for maps. There a important aspect of Halo 3 and deserve more than a line or two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 18:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

See WP:NOT#GUIDE ♦^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 18:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying make a list or guide, i'm saying make a 'maps' category and go in a little bit more detail than one line because maps are kind of important. Or maybe there not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.113.218 (talk) 20:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

To clarify: Literally ANYBODY can join your game if you allow them, right??

I read in an EGM article or something that they got smart, and jumped on the bandwagon with literally every other FPS out there and got rid of the worthless "only friends, and friend's friends can join" restriction. Which is good. That means that I don't have to wait forever for to get a full game going, AND don't have to remove my friends who will not play Halo 3 all that much.

I'm pretty sure what they said is this: You go to the start menu and click on some option that "sends your gametype out there for people can join" or something like that.

Anyway, why the hell is this not featured in the article? Don't say "we did not add it in due to a lack of source". 1/2 this things on this article is not even sourced. Just take a look at the "technology" section for one, out of the many examples. Shutup999 21:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

"a very positive review considering Japan's overall dislike of the first-person shooters genre"

This is very true. Do NOT remove this. Articles accross the internet have talked about this. They also mentioned how they are biased towards japanese games, and have provided facts to prove this. Anyway, just telling you guys NOT to remove this. Shutup999 21:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I was just asking for a second look earlier, if what you say is true, then its all fine by me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.84.99 (talk) 22:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The same magazine gave Nintendogs a perfect score. QED.--Yeti Hunter 23:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes 142.177.84.99, is is very true. Hell, go to wikipedia's own article and check their top reviewed games. or just search "halo 3 famitsu" on google news, or google by itself for that matter. And check all the articles talking about how much they are surprised.

It would be nice if somebody can just atke one, out of the hundreds of links and put it on the halo 3 article. I't to lazy to do it myself Shutup999 23:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Matchmaking Info

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12802 Bungie just updated and its chockfull of the matchmaking variants for Halo 3. Could find some good adds for the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandon boudreaux (talk • contribs) 23:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

So...Why the hell is nobdy adding any of this info in? Shutup999 03:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Why the hell don't you add it yourself? JayKeaton 10:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Everytime i try and add something, it gets deleted. So I don't even try anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandon boudreaux (talk • contribs) 14:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Just be vigilant. After it was deleted, look at the reason why it was deleted in the article history, and just re add it but improve on it this time, maybe put it in a better section or put better sources on it. Sometimes peoples edits can be deleted by accident, a person will revert back to older edits without actually looking at what they reverted, so it can pay to add it back in if you think it really does belong in the article JayKeaton 16:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

characters

Should there be anything about the enemy characters in halo 3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.105.206.35 (talk) 03:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

This info is already provided in the Halo universe article. No need to repeat it.157.174.221.169 17:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 manual online

Halo 3 manual. It contains a LOT of information that should be on the page. For example, the campaign scoring ONLY occurs in co-op. Points are given for killing enemies, getting vehicles, etc. You lose points for griefing, etc. I don't have the time to post the relevent stuff into the article, but I'm sure some of you can. ;) JAF1970 15:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

What the heck is Silverlight? I can't do anything with it, I've only got Mac OS X Panther... When it comes to sourcing upon release I'll just use the physical manual :\ David Fuchs ^(talk) 17:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Silverlight is like flash except it's designed by Microsoft. The website does have some interesting info, but the pc I'm currently on, uh, doesn't have silverlight to say the least. Anyway, tomorrow I'm getting Legendary yay! and I'm sure there's loads of info in the Beastiarum and the DVDs to also be added. Does anyone know how to cite an instruction manual/the beastiarum, I doubt they have an ISBN so is it a book or magazine? Or do I just add what info I can? James086^{Talk | Email} 23:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

That's strange, I was quite sure scoring, or the 'metagame', was an option (can be turned on or off) for both solo and co-op play. This was also said in many of the recent reviews. Hayden120 00:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Check Halo 2's citations on the manual, James. David Fuchs ^(talk) 11:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Article Layout

Ok, over at /prereleaseI came up with a rough skeleton of what the finished article would look like at some point in the future. The only problem I'm finding is what to do with the 'Features' that are currently on the page- we don't want to go into an overly precise-bordering on crufty approach to the new features, but we want them to be recognizable and flow with the rest of the article. Putting them before the gameplay makes no sense, but putting it after is a bit rough as well- and putting it smack in the relevant sections, while the most streamlined approach, means that navigating specifically to this section would be a problem. Thoughts? David Fuchs ^(talk) 18:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

You, uh, decided to remove the info about Halo 3 being optimized for 1080p in the infobox? Articles should shape themselves, if you need a sandbox to help work out how an article should look then you probably should avoid editing that article to begin with. JayKeaton 18:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

1080p definitely deserves to be mentioned in the infobox, Hilary Goldstein in IGNs official review of Halo 3 makes a clear point that "it's die for in 1080p" JayKeaton 19:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I copied that infobox from whatever version of the article was there at the time; evidently it didn't have 1080p mentioned that version. Calm down, it's not a deliberate attempt to remove the information. David Fuchs ^(talk) 19:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Not specifically about your sandbox was I pointing out the 1080p issue, but it was talked about before. Some people are really heavy on the 1080p/Halo 3 issue, but it was claimed by Microsoft to run in 1080p and it has been confirmed by at least one reviewer to look very good while in the 1080p mode. JayKeaton 20:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

24(ish) hours to release, full protection?

Ok guys, we're getting close to 24 hours away from release time. As those of you who have witnessed a major game release approach on Wikipedia, you know that we get swarmed with vandals, edits that have NOTHING to do with the game, unencyclopedic edits, game guides, etc. The standard stuff. What I'm proposing is that sometime in the next few hours, the article be fully protected, with the expiration date to be approx. ~4 hours after release. This does NOT mean that edits will not be made to the article: You can use the {{editprotected}} tag to request changes, and a sysop will make them. I will be monitoring the page myself, as well. This would not affect the talk page. Thoughts? ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 18:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

My thoughts are a strong no to any more protection than the page already has. And the game comes out in less than 20 hours btw. JayKeaton 18:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I will protect the page if we get large amounts of vandalism from recent accounts as well, but page protection, as per policy, should not be used as a preventative measure, rather in response to vandalism. Unless it's really bad, we should just be vigilant, both here on the talk page and in terms of actual content. Hopefully, the vandalism will be like the ones I used to have to weed out over at Halo 2 - "Haloz are 1337" and crap like that which is easily identifiable. David Fuchs ^(talk) 19:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be unwise to have no protection at all, even if it does appear to go against policy. This article will be at its highest traffic point between now and about a week from now, so making it open to any unregistered editor would be foolish and locking it completely to make it even harder for registered editors from improving it while it is at its peak traffic point would be just as foolish JayKeaton 20:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I also oppose full protection. The opportunity cost is too high (too many good editors lost for the gain of not cleaning up). It's also against policy, but even if we use common sense, this is still not a good idea. James086^{Talk | Email} 23:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The current semi-protected state will probably weed out a good 90% of the vandals. Lets try and just handle the others at first and see how it goes. If it gets REALLY bad, more protection may be in order, but I don't think we'll need it.157.174.221.169 17:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, while I agree, I'm also concerned about the reception section which will hinder any possible neutral status. Stabby Joe 00:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, its gonna get good reviews, if some fanboys keep hiding any issues (which for right now seem only to be that it's short in terms of story and evolutionary rather than revolutionary) we can probably just block them if they're being disruptive, rather than locking the entire thing. David Fuchs ^(talk) 01:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't just put in IGN's review and leave it at that. Include a a quote praising it and their major complaint

Don't just put in IGN's revie and leave it at that. Include a a quote praising it and their major complaint.

Seriously. say IGN gave Halo 3 a "____", praising it's "____" and citing "___" as their major complaint. Or something like that. Shutup999 18:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The entire section will need revising once all the reviews come out. For one, in the side table you only put notable publication scores, that way you don't have to say 'IGN gave it... XX out of XX." It may also be more prudent to simply have a good-bad paragraph form, depending on the reviews. David Fuchs ^(talk) 19:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

universally every crticic's major gripe is that Halo 3's single player campaign is disappointing.

universally every crticic's major gripe is that Halo 3's single player campaign is disappointing. please add this in. Shutup999 20:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

"so far" would be more accurate than "universally", as universally might imply that all future reviews will have that same gripe. Although they probably will, some might not. Always strive to be as descriptive and accurate as possible I always say JayKeaton 20:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The only complaint about the campaign has been it's length - not one has complained about the campaign itself - they've raved about it. JAF1970 04:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. There's definitely going to be something about criticisms of the single player campaign going into the criticism. But we need to be specific: they're not complaining about the quality, they're complaining about the length. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 05:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Somebody is playing with the article

Read Gameplay. INTUNEevolution 22:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Give specifics, don't just tell us to read the article. SpigotMap 22:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

somebody just destroyed the entry on the article, talking abolut only nerds care and its a bad game. please ban whoever this is and fix the page!!! its locked to me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darthblaze99 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Chile launch date

Could someone add Chile right next to Japan? We are also having an official launch by Microsoft Chile on September 27th. Thanks. leoprieto 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the infobox only contains the 'main' dates, which there are three. Most countries fit into one of them. For example, Australia, my country, fits into the North American timeframe; the 25th of September. Chile fits into the Japanese time frame; the 27th of September. (By the way, you can sign your comments by typing four tildes (~~~~) rather than typing all the code manually) Hayden120 00:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

According to xbox.com, Chiles "fecha de aparición" (date of appearance) for Halo 3 is "TBD" (To Be Determined). It could just be that xbox.com hasn't updated the Chile version of the website and that it is coming out soon, it is meant to be more or less a worldwide release JayKeaton 08:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

IGN calles Halo 3's soundtrack the best of all time. worth adding? I think so.

IGN calles Halo 3's soundtrack the best of all time. worth adding? I think so. But WHERE do we add this in? Shutup999 05:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Somewhere down in Halo 3#Critical reception. Someguy1221 05:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait until the reviews are all in. And by that, I mean OXM and EGM's magazine reviews. JAF1970 05:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Or, create a new section for Audio/Soundtrack. David Fuchs ^(talk) 11:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

halo 3 came out in australia at midnight monday. It's been out for 2 hours! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.186.72.68 (talk) 16:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

People, it's still not included. This is ridiculous, I mean it is notable for IGN to say that this soundtrack is the best they have ever heard. We HAVE to include this one way or another. Shutup999 17:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Be careful though, I can see the neutral stance being killed by die hard fans who will want to advertise this game as the best ever through this article... and I don't think I need to explain why we can't have that. Stabby Joe 00:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Pre-order Count

Can anyone give me a recent update on the number of pre-orders it has? Шr.ĸĮicĸ 22:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

4.2M units are in retail stores now, according to GameSpot. JAF1970 22:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

1.5M customer preorders. Here JAF1970 22:48, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you! Шr.ĸĮicĸ 21:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Why do we need citation for plot?

How do you citate for a plot? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.204.151 (talk) 12:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

See the plot section of Halo 2, for example. IoW, use the {{cite video game}} template. David Fuchs ^(talk) 13:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Ideally though you would use independant third party sources if at all possible, and use {{cite web}} rather than citing the game directly. John Hayes^talk 13:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 Ranking System

Rank: Recruit - Grade 1, RP Points: 1

Rank: Apprentice - Grade 1, RP Points: 2

Rank: Apprentice - Grade 2, RP Points: 3

Rank: Private - Grade 1, RP Points: 5

Rank: Private - Grade 2, RP Points: 7

Rank: Corporal - Grade 1, RP Points: 10

Rank: Corporal - Grade 2, RP Points: 15

Rank: Sergeant - Grade 1, RP Points: 20

Rank: Sergeant - Grade 2, RP Points: 30

Rank: Sergeant - Grade 3, RP Points: 40

Rank: Gunnery Sergeant - Grade 1, RP Points: 50

Rank: Gunnery Sergeant - Grade 2, RP Points: 60

Rank: Gunnery Sergeant - Grade 3, RP Points: 150

Rank: Gunnery Sergeant - Grade 4, RP Points: 300

Rank: Lieutenant - Grade 1, RP Points: 70

Rank: Lieutenant - Grade 2, RP Points: 85

Rank: Lieutenant - Grade 3, RP Points: 200

Rank: Lieutenant - Grade 4, RP Points: 400

Rank: Captain - Grade 1, RP Points: 100

Rank: Captain - Grade 2, RP Points: 150

Rank: Captain - Grade 3, RP Points: 300

Rank: Captain - Grade 4, RP Points: 600

Rank: Major - Grade 1, RP Points: 200

Rank: Major - Grade 2, RP Points: 300

Rank: Major - Grade 3, RP Points: 600

Rank: Major - Grade 4, RP Points: 1200

Rank: Commander - Grade 1, RP Points: 300

Rank: Commander - Grade 2, RP Points: 450

Rank: Commander - Grade 3, RP Points: 900

Rank: Commander - Grade 4, RP Points: 1800

Rank: Colonel - Grade 1, RP Points: 400

Rank: Colonel - Grade 2, RP Points: 600

Rank: Colonel - Grade 3, RP Points: 1200

Rank: Colonel - Grade 4, RP Points: 2400

Rank: Brigadier - Grade 1, RP Points: 500

Rank: Brigadier - Grade 2, RP Points: 1000

Rank: Brigadier - Grade 3, RP Points: 2000

Rank: Brigadier - Grade 4, RP Points: 4000

Rank: General - Grade 1, RP Points: 600

Rank: General - Grade 2, RP Points: 1200

Rank: General - Grade 3, RP Points: 2500

Rank: General - Grade 4, RP Points: 5000

Continued...

Skill Level: 10, Lieutenant

Skill Level: 20, Captain

Skill Level: 30, Major

Skill Level: 35, Commander

Skill Level: 40, Colonel

Skill Level: 45, Brigadier

Skill Level: 50, General

X68zeppelin80x 14:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Disc scratching problems with Limited Edition

Why is there there no mention of this? The flawed packaging is a pretty well documented problem on the web, and my game disc came out scratched. Richiekim 17:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

To keep up the illusion of awesomeness, obviously. (Actually, I don't know.) Vegetaman 17:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

      My disk did not come scratched and i got the legendary edition -Kit T. Kat

the hulk??

It says that if you beat the game on legendary you see the hulk... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.56.229 (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

    It refers to the big piece of the ship that Master Chief and Cortana are in, 'The Hulk.'
            Moenbro 18:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Chief and Cortana are IN The Hulk? Did he eat them or something!?! JayKeaton 07:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Negative reviews

I dare not add it, because zealots would remove it instantly, but there is a lot of genuine negative press out there for Halo. Cam Shea of IGN says in the Australian review calls Halo 3 "a game that is worth playing" and that it "is a long way from game of the year" and coreviewer Bennett Ring says "...left me wanting more – the backtracking, the overly cheesy storyline, the underwhelming visuals. And multiplayer feels too much like a HD-version of Halo 2 with a few gadgets you can toss around." The review said about the graphics "A long way from the prettiest 360 game, but it does have its own style and charms", gameplay "Very very solid, but in raw gameplay terms doesn't really break much new ground" and it also heavily criticised the "cheesy dialogue". The overall consensus was that it was a good game that is worth buying if you really like Halos multiplayer. The negative reception needs to be covered, otherwise the page will just be a big Microsoft/Halo fanboy wank-fest [[2]] (review, awarded 8.9 out of 10.0) JayKeaton 21:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Those criticisms should (and probably will) be added eventually, but, you're right, it's probably best to wait for the initial wave of post-release editing to subside a bit. — TKD::Talk 21:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

No no, I will agree. The point of wiki articles is to be neutral. First off I advise people NOT to mention Game Rankings and Metacritics until most publication have had their say. Secondly, seperate negative comments from positive in a following review. Stabby Joe 21:33, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay? THat guy was completeyl retarded. Halo 3 universally fixed, and expanded on everything that was done in Halo 1 and halo 2. While adding a **** load of new things. it's far from a "HALO HD" like that moron said. HOnestly, every game/album gets a horrible critic. there is no need to mention it int here just becuase a tremoundously un-informed critic added it in. I mean hell, The Beatle's Sgt. Peppers album. Widely accepted as the greateset album of all time, has it's fair share of critics who give horrible reasons to bash a game; should we include those in there? Of course not. Testersiki 01:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Cam Shea is a well respected journalist, with over a decade of experience he has worked for Hyper, does the occasional essay in PC Powerplay and is in a high enough position within IGN to review a game like Halo 3. Of course not, why would we want to add some negative press in and interrupt the Microsoft sponsored circle jerk? IGNs criticisms of Halo 3 are all common sense to anyone that has played the game, the review rings very true and despite the reviewers disbelief at how average Halo 3 was, I do not detect any malice in this IGN publication JayKeaton 05:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't care how many ****** reviews this guy has done, the point still stands that this guy's logic is prodigiously flawed. Seriously, why do you think IGN themselves gave it a 9.5? And generally every other critic on the planet gave it amazing reviews? It's considered as one of the greatest games on next-gen consols atm. Really though, the 8.9 is one of the worst reviews for videogame I've seen in years, Halo 3 is leaps and bounds ahead of their processors it's not even funny, that's why generally other critics gave it amazingly great greviews. So unless you grab some other bull**** review and put with albums and movies that are generally accepted as amazing then the review is out; it's one of the most unprofessional reviews I've seen in years. Testersiki 14:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The negative reviews should be mentioned if they come from respected sources even if many of us fanboys don't agree. I think the 96 metacritic score and the shattering of all previous sales records speak for the quality of the game quite enough. All entertainment gets some bad reviews, their specific notability is questionable in a lot of cases. But its also questionable to list all the positive scores also; if you look at the article for say Casablanca (film) you'll see a section for "Reception" that cites modest sales and generally positive reviews, and a few quotes from notable sources, including a review from the NYT that says the film was "pretty tolerable." We're talking about what's now considered one of the best movies of all time, #2 on AFI's greatest movies list. ZG 16:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Red vs. Blue cast

While playing the game, I encountered none other than Doc and Tucker-or at least their voice actors-at the second level. Replaying the level on higher difficulties features conversations between Grif and Simmons or Church and Caboose. The credits for the game list their voice actors as special voice actors, so they're definitely in the game. Should this be added once a source is found? ShadowUltra 01:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Only once a reliable source is found. SpigotMap 01:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Gus (the voice of Simmons) posted that their names are in the credits at the end of the game and in the instruction manual. I presume the game's instruction manual is a reliable source? Panzer V Panther 04:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

As someone who has never played this game (The general audience of wikipedia) I have no idea who Doc and Tucker are. This seems more like trivial information then anything. What does it add to the article? SpigotMap 04:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Check out the Red vs. Blue article. There's a bit about a guy named Jonathan Ross in the article in the section about "Audio." I have no idea who Jonathan Ross is, but I don't have a problem with that bit remaining in the article. If there's a bit about a "celebrity presenter" with an article shorter than the RvB article, surely the guys who voice the premiere Halo machinima doing some voice-acting for Halo 3 is notable enough. As a sidenote, they donated an undisclosed (as far as I know) amount of money to Child's Play (charity) to voice those parts. Thoughts? =) Panzer V Panther 04:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Just checked with a friend who owns the game and he has verified for me that pp. 29-31 of the instruction manual have the names of Burnie Burns, Gus Sorola, Geoff Ramsey, Jason Saldana, Matt Hullum, and Joel Heyman (Church, Simmons, Grif, Tucker, Sarge/Doc, and Caboose, respectively) and they are all credited as voice-actors. =) Panzer V Panther 04:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

XBOX LIVE CRASHED DUE TO HALO 3

Or Xbox Live is fixing their servers, either way it has do something with Halo 3. Add this in please. Testersiki 01:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

UK:RESISTANCE review

Remove the reference to it, it's clearly sarcastic. The Frederick 13:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

mistake

i found a small thing that could be changed.... were it says players are limited to only two weapons at any one time in Halo it should also include or three if the player is dual weilding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.206.130.125 (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Or 11 if player is dual weilding and is carrying 8 grenades, as grenades are undeniably weapons JayKeaton 08:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually 12 weapons can be held at one time, even without dual wielding. 8 grenades, one firearm, another fire arm and on of the turrets that has been torn off and carried around. You need to be accurate with these things guys ^_^

Okay, we have to decide on what ratings we're going to keep in for that quick look box thing.

Okay, we have to decide on what ratings we're going to keep in for that quick look box thing.

HOnestly, it gets changed every single day. halo haters are keeping only the horrid reviews in, halo fanboys are only keeping the perfect scores in, and people are getting rid of websites that they think is not notable (which clearly are) are keeping their fav websites. I mean this is absolutely ridiculous, please discuss this. Testersiki 02:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the box is superfluous. I know I've seen it for other games, but do we really need a compendium of review scores? Metacritic or GameRankings make sense from the perspective that they give a mean response that helps us gauge how the game was received critically. It may make sense to quote from, or give the score from, IGN (biggest video game website) or EGM (biggest video game print magazine) or some non-US publications to show what the worldwide response is (it might be notable, for instance, that perhaps the game was more poorly reviewed in Australia than the rest of the world, or that Japanese critics gave the game unusually high scores). A list of random review scores is not necessary; wikipedia is not metacritic. ZG 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It's confirmed that it XBL is having problems due to " high traffic related to the launch of Halo 3" Add this in please.

http://live.xbox.com/en-US/default.aspx

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=13190857&postRepeater1-p=1#13190910

D Testersiki 02:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a news site. Would anyone really care in 10 years if the xbox live site was running slow due to the launch of the game? SpigotMap 02:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

No, might it might be a notable point as a feature of its opening success. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see what you're getting at. The fact that xbox live lagged a bit is a notable feature of the game? SpigotMap 04:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's not just a bit of lag. It's the fact that for multiple hours on launch day, exceedingly few (less than 300 worldwide at one point) were able to connect to Xbox Live. This is relevant without a doubt to the success/failure of the launch. 05:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.114.176 (talk)

IP caught my point quite well. The release of a game causing the disruption of an entire service would be a notable point of the game's reception upon release. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Remove Unneeded Sections

This Discussion page is a but overflowing. I suggest we remove any unneeded or resolved articles, as well as this one when finished. Example? [[3]]Stormfin 02:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

End of Halo beginning of Marathon?

According to YouTube and many other comments on the web a Halo 3 Legendary Ending... ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFOICtYykxA and http://www.xboxic.com/news/1806 and ) The marathon trilogy starts off with a guy called john crashing onto a planet in a broken space ship (John 117 Spartan). they could be connected. though marathon series start at 2794. 200+ years earlier thn halo 3 which would make if linear, MC inmortal, which is not so either marathon is part of another universe or MC just arrived at the beggining of a new Story arc. So should this (or something like this) be added in the main article? Any one have more information on this?- misterdan 03:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Blatantly incorrect. Look up the actual information on Marathon here on Wikipedia, and you'll see that they are unrelated beyond being made by Bungie. Peptuck 03:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Some of the tools and stuff were the same, like how they made it, but the stories and universes are separate JayKeaton 05:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Protection

I understand why the page is protected, as there are a whole heck of a lot of people with far too much time on their hands, but it really bugs me when I can't correct grammar! (Okay, maybe I have too much time on my hands...) Anyway - "If a player kill themselves" in the Campaign Scoring section. Nice one! (144.87.143.3 13:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC))

You could create an account and wait four days. I know, I know, not the quickest way to the fix the grammar. Useight 14:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)