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UK Aired Episodes

In the UK, the first TEN episodes are being aired this week. That means that The Avatar and The Firelord, which airs in the US on Friday, Aired earlier today. FOur more episodes which have not been released in America yet, will air on thursday and Friday. The question is this: Do we add these episodes to the Aired section, because they have been released, or leave them in the upcoming episode section until the episodes are released in the US? My personal view is that since the episodes have aired somewhere in the world, they should be moved out of the upcoming episode section to the aired section. If you read this, Please respond because this will have to be solved ASAP because two new episodes come out Thursday and Friday night in the UK. The Placebo Effect 03:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I must say, my first thought in response to your statement is a string of vulgar, profane, and highly distubring swear words as I consider why I had the sad misfortune of living on the wrong side of the Atlantic (I'd give it all up for ten episodes in one week). Once I'm past that, it's pretty obvious that they should be moved to the "Aired" section. Wikipedia is not an encyclopedie for the US, by the US, or about the US. Many of its articles have no connection to the States in any way, and many of those that do are written from the outside perspective. If they're aired, even if it's at 2 in the morning in Southern Mongolia as a result of a faulty transmitter, it should be marked as having aired.

Of course, if it actually is aired at 2 in the morning in Southern Mongolia as a result of a faulty transmitter I'm going to absolutely freak out. What the hells the point of all my ridiculously expensive and pointless technological gear if it can't even receive faulty transmissions from Mongolia? JBK405 04:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Why? When they've only aired in the US and not in the UK we don't mark it as such, nor when they air anywhere else (Many TV shows and movies never air in the US at all, should we mark them as never having aired despite their XXX-year broadcast run?). This article isn't about the episodes in the US, but rather about the episodes themselves, and if they've aired in the UK then they've aired. JBK405 02:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm with JBK405 on this. It does not matter what country it airs on. Ofunniku 17:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree as well. If they've aired, they've aired, regardless of where first. --Slartibartfast1992 21:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

well, i agree, too, i guess, but i saw other articles that show diffrent air dates in in others countries. Wikialexdx 20:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC

THat works better on article pages than this list. The Placebo Effect 01:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

actually, i change my mind, it should show when it got aired in diffrent countires, it shows better detail. --Wikialexdx 00:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we should put a colum for the US air Date and the UK air date, since it seems it was the same up to the 24th of October. It Can show whe it even aired in other countries, if we can find that kind of information.AmericanAtl 21:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

hi there, we are missing an "upcomeing episodes" section now btw, maybe someone wanna fix, even if its only the names of the episodes so are more comeing out than the 10 that came out in the UK or where are the dates for the rest —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.162.212 (talk) 07:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The displayed dates are still for the US release, while the UK dates were added and are commented out. Why is this? 132.236.59.82 05:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

And now they're back to displaying the UK dates. Let's leave them there now, please. 132.236.59.82 06:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright I just had a idea because people from the UK want it their way (which I totally get) and people from the US want it their way (that makes sence too) why don't we get throw out the upcoming episodes list because depending on your country that isn't right or is compeletly correct. And put a UK and US air dates in the table? That way everyone would be happy and most people wouldn't be so confused. So it would look somthing like this:

Title	UK Air date	US Air date	Chapter #	Episode #
"The Awakening"	September 21, 2007	September 21, 2007	1	41

I have no idea if that is the actual air date for the UK and I would suggest that the names of both countrys are spelled out but this is just to show what it may look like.Smileyface 12 91 22:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Not really, im in the US and show are others like JBK are in the us, The Placebo Effect 23:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

My opinion is that there should be only one column and that should be for the first time it was aired anywhere in the world. The finer detail about airing dates should only be available in the episode's wiki entry. 202.89.188.28 06:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok I was just giving an idea bcause people keep changing the airdates from UK to US and then back agian. Smileyface 12 91 08:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe if you just added the US airdate as a note in the episode summary to make everyone happy...But then again I'm not really a user so you guys probably wouldn't take me seriously so yeah... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.111.133.193 (talk) 05:06, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

We all weren't users at some point, I at least won't take you any less seriously because of that...of course, I'm still gonna disagree with you, but it is in no way because of your status (Which begs the question, which would you prefer? Would you rather I disagree with you for logical reasons which perhaps reveals a flaw in your thinking, or yould you rather I disagree with you because of an unfounded value judgement?). Despite just how kick ass the USA is, there are more people (and more nations) outside the USA than in it, and they've all got their own airdates. To list each nation/region individually is simply impractical, and to make a special note of one or two is quite biased; what makes the US/UK more worthy of a special note than, say, Korea (After all, the show is actually animated in Korea). It might make sense if those one or two other nations were special airings (For example, if this is a show which, for whatever reason, never leaves the USA and is now being shown outside the country for the first time, or something like that), but as it is, it's just quibbling. Right now, we should leave the date at the first time it aired, regardless of where it aired or under what circumstances it aired (Even if it's at 2 am in southern Mogolia as a result of a faulty transmitter). JBK405 05:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, the point of having the US airdate wouldn't be that the USA is kick butt, it would be that the cartoon was produced by the USA and primarily for the USA. Both sides of the argument have perfectly logical explanations, so your disagreement is more based on your opinion of which logical argument is more important rather than any flaws in Anonymous's thinking. That said, I don't really care which way the airdates are presented. ButteredToast 17:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

No, my argument is supported by my opinion, not based on it. It's based on Wikipedia's strict adherence to a non-biased writing style, and deciding to put the airdate of some nations airings and not others (Say, the first time it aired in Australia) displays, if not a major writing bias (We're not saying something like "These nations got it first cause the others suck" or anything like that), at least a small one.

Also, the show is primarily animated in Korea, uses Classical Chinese for all its writing, and has at least one person with German as their primary language on their production staff (I think I might have correcly placed the accent from the DVD's commentary). It's definitely a USA production, don't get me wrong, but it's not by the USA for the USA, it's got a wider view. Of course, that view really isn't present to an extreme degree in the show itself (It's still American English they're speaking and the desired audience is American children), but it' there. JBK405 18:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I never claimed your argument was based on your opinion. I said your disagreement was based on your opinion. Both arguments have logical non-biased reasoning supporting them. It's not unthinkable for there to be more than one "right" answer.

Also, the animation is outsourced to Korea by American studios. It is clearly an American show. I'm not sure what language the text is written in has to do with that.

Again, I'm not arguing for one method of displaying the airdates or the other (if at all), I'm just saying that you're seeing bias where there isn't any. ButteredToast 00:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

If most people here agree that the airdate should be the date it aired anywhere, then who changed the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Renegade51 (talk • contribs) 08:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Just hit the undo button. Not every editor 'cares' about consensuses. 202.89.188.28 09:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the article is semi-protected, so no everyone can undo the changes. Could someone please undo the changes to the 17:12, 15 November 2007 version (last edited by MrPeerke, I think)? Is the last version that sticks with the global dating criteria.

Avatar Shorts

i changed the episodes of avatar shorts from '1' in2 'Short 1', since there is already and episode 1.
and changed chpater in2 N/A, since it is not really a chapter.
219.88.255.88 05:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Do the shorst really deserve their own articles? I mean they hold not plot relivence so they are really just for entertainment, and in such case it would be easier to just watch them if you want to know what happens in them. I'd argue differently if they pertained to the actual plot of the series and added something to that story, but they don't. They're humorous shorts off on the side. Maybe one article for the three of them if it's really necesary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.26 (talk) 02:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with you The Placebo Effect 23:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

As would I. Seems to be entries on the episode list are all those really need.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was animated in the USA. If it is it would make since (or at least there would be an argument) to have US air dates along with the original air date. If it is in Korea than maybe there should be Korean air dates? Smileyface 12 91 06:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Quick request

Not a big thing, but something I wanted to bring up: the next time we don't have info on any upcoming epsiodes, please don't just remove the section. That just makes it harder when that information eventually comes out. Instead, just comment it out, like so: <!-- Enclose all the contents you want to hide like this -->. Thanks.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

re: TVShowsonDVD

The information on future episode names I procured weeks ago from TVShowsonDVD and put up on the list page was removed at the time because someone was thought it unreliable. Of course, it turns out that information was completely correct. A consideration for the next time TVShowsonDVD provides episode names. --Choi9999 02:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Please read all of this Disscusion. The Placebo Effect 02:59, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I would argue that when TVShowsonDVD a) for a given news update b) is able to provide a copy of what the DVD cover will look like along with episode titles that c) the episode titles have at least some reliability associated with them that d) merits at least a status of "tentative." If we will only accept episode title information a) from Nick or b) when the episodes have actually aired somewhere in the world (as was the case with the UK episodes), then we should say so on the list of episodes page itself. Otherwise you'll just have people constantly arguing over the validity of one source over another. (Saying so in the discussion page seems less than useful, given the volume of information on the discussion page and the lack of ease of navigability of it. Somewhat reminiscent of the Vogons in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, who derided humans for not reading instructions posted on a closet orbiting another star.)--Choi9999 03:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Announced episodes

How to deal with the annnounced episodes from, e.g. IMDB, where the title of episode 10 and 11 are told?

Afraca 16:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Only TVguide.com and Nick,com are used when finding upoming episdoes. IMDB has been wrong, and tv.com gets information submited by uesre. The Placebo Effect 16:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Day of the Black Sun Parts

They are both out on the same day? This will be a night to remember! --Neilmodi 02:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Should they be merged into one article like The Siege of the North? Both are part 1, Part 2 episodes. The Placebo Effect 02:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

That seems alright. As long as the sections are named Part 1: The Invasion and Part 2: The Eclipse. --Neilmodi 03:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, if in the U.S. they are having 10 straight weeks of Avatar, then shouldn't the Day of Black Sun come out on the 23rd?? This is just a question that is bothering me...

No, it's being delayed due to a SpongeBob SquarePants marathon during Nick's Super Stuffed Weekend. Setherex 18:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't they both be listed seperatly? Like with episode 7 en 8 being 2 parts as well. Afraca 18:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Additional episode

It turns out that there will be an 21st episode in season 3! :D This isn't a practical joke; I saw it at [[1]] ! :) So, we should update this article accordingly. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 21:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I was just going to post this. On ASN some broke it down so its easier to understand. There will still be 20 chapters but there will physically be 21 episodes.

Chapter 10 part 1: Episode 50 OR 310

Chapter 10 part 2: Episode 51 OR 311

Chapter 11: Episode 52 OR 312

Chapter 12: Episode 53 OR 313

Chapter 13: Episode 54 OR 314

Chapter 14: Episode 55 OR 315

Chapter 15: Episode 56 OR 316

Chapter 16: Episode 57 OR 317

Chapter 17: Episode 58 OR 318

Chapter 18: Episode 59 OR 319

Chapter 19: Episode 60 OR 320

Chapter 20: Episode 61 OR 321 Rosario lopez (talk) 05:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

we have to wait to see how 312 will be named, either chapter 11 or chapter 12

if 312 is named chapter 12, than the episodes will be either like this

Chapter 10 part 1: Episode 50 OR 310

Chapter 10 part 2: Episode 51 OR 311

Chapter 12: Episode 52 OR 312

Chapter 13: Episode 53 OR 313

Chapter 14: Episode 54 OR 314

Chapter 15: Episode 55 OR 315

Chapter 16: Episode 56 OR 316

Chapter 17: Episode 57 OR 317

Chapter 18: Episode 58 OR 318

Chapter 19: Episode 59 OR 319

Chapter 20: Episode 60 OR 320

Chapter 21: Episode 61 OR 321

there is a small chance the last 4 episodes will be considered a 4 parter chapter --Verdad1963 23:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

We dont need to wait, Nick has confirmed the information already, and it is just as Lopez stated. Rau J16 23:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The Day of Black Sun

I just saw the episodes and it said the titles were:

The Day of Black Sun, Part 1: The Invasion
The Day of Black Sun, Part 2: The Eclispe

--Neilmodi 20:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be noted as well that Part 2 is considered to be as part of the same Chapter (chapter 10). Just take a look at the beginning of the episode when the title is introduced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.119.135 (talk) 23:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i noticed that too, it made me wonder if it is one chapter, and that there are still ten more to come. Rau J16 05:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

They are 2 separate chapters. -Dylan0513 20:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The Day of Black Sun is one chapter, aired as a movie. When Nickelodeon aired it in both the UK and the US, the "title" pages clearly state the The Day of Black Sun, Part 1: The Invasion was Chapter 10, and the Day of Black Sun, Part 2: The Eclipse, was also Chapter 10. Also, the credits to both parts were shown together after both parts were shown. The credits are separated into Part 1 and 2 only because Avatar uses different writers and artists for each 30 minute segment of Avatar, since it takes roughly 8 months to produce one Avatar episode. This is also why Avatar should not be affected by the writer's strike, since the story has already been written, and any break in the episodes is due to the time needed to produce the episodes. Also, Nickelodeon clearly stated that the Black Sun episodes were being aired as an hour long movie in both the US and the UK. TV Guide in the US confirms this as the episode was shown on TV Guide the night of the 30th as: Movie: Avatar: The Last Airbender The Day of Black Sun. Hope this helps. Jazzsax917 00:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I just saw them both too. I'm doubting this, but is it Ok if I the plot and some notes in their respective articles? Or is it too early to do it?Stormfin 05:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

They are considered one chapter; the intro for both episodes shows it as chapter ten, in comparison with other two-part episodes, which each have their own chapter. It's the first chapter to fill an hour-long slot on TV.--69.252.221.116 12:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

the invasion fails because they were prepared. Iroh escapes of the prison and Zuko decides to be allied of the Avatar after facing its father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.164.119.37 (talk) 01:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Somehow I suspect the firelord being killed by Iroh instead of the avatar, and then aang & company squaring off against azula & company. At the end, that is. I also suspect MUCH awkward humor between zuko, sakka, and momo to come.--anonymous 16:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Haven't they already been aired? They're online...--86.138.21.25 20:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

No, actually. The online ones were just leaked somehow.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I heard they both first aired on November 13th in the UK. No, I don't have a source. ButteredToast (talk) 07:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

The ones that leaked were crappy .flv's but some tv quality .avi's have surfaced, perhaps this does mean that they aired. Rau J16 19:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

People attention. If you would like to watch episodes 10 and 11 then go to youtube and search Avatar Book 3 Fire Chapter 11 or chapter 10 and click the ones from the user named avatarman100. His submission is in 3 parts for each chapter. Watch it quick before it gets deleted! 76.113.129.216 (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Or you would just download them or go to one of the many sites dedicated to episode streaming, and also, please keep this discussion on topic, please. Rau J16 19:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

One: take you're spoilers and discussions elsewere this not a forum, two in the dvd section the day og black sun appears devided, with the second part in a diferent dvd. We should change it.--Tosta mista (talk) 19:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I live in the UK and the episde was shown yesterday. 8:31(GMT) Saturday 24th November —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathmore (talk • contribs)

Somebody divided the ep in two chapters, and it's only one, big, episode/chapter, not two.--Tosta mista (talk) 10:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Never mind...--Tosta mista (talk) 10:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Also the old page The Day of Black Sun is still there. somebody should delet it ( i don't know how)--Tosta mista (talk) 12:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The page deals with the chapter, its fine, when the episodes air they will both be put there. Rau J16 23:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Well now they put "The Eclipse" on upcoming episode and "The Invasion" on the aired episodes. Even if they are not one chapter they still air together: If one as aired so as the other.--Tosta mista (talk) 19:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the invasion aired by itself in the netherlands. The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, guys, since we are always accepting avatarspirit as a reliable source, we should, thus continue and add ep50 to the aired list, with the dutch airing date. (I truly don't understand the difficulties some people tend to have with the current airdates.)-Catneven (talk) 10:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The episodes are one chapter, that as been confirmed by that press release that said the the 3rd season add 21 episode but only 20 chapters, so we put then together--Tosta mista (talk) 21:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

There are more sites that list both episodes as 2 rather than 1, however it yes yet to air in the US. I am confident that they will air the episode this Friday as a continuation episode without the commercial break, from the end of "the invasion" to the start of "the eclipse"; the episode is listed as a "tv movie" @ tv.com. The air dates has to follow the lead of next arcticle, "an important proposal," consistency between first air date, US air date, and "original air date. I second a split and list several air dates to satisfy the public. With the leaks available on the internet, [it] does not deter me from analyzing the complexity of the differences between the two, US air date episode vs. World air date episode, if there exists any! Jkdz100 (talk) 00:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

TV.com is not a reliable source, and if we add all of the dates the page would become cluttered, ugly and too large. But both episodes have aired, so they are 'currently' in the aired section, unless some on can prove otherwise. the only problem with the current state, si the lack of a date for the second part, Avatar spirit only has an estimate. Rau J16 20:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Since when was clutter and appearance and issue? They have NOW aired worldwide Jkdz100 11:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I dont think that they aired world wide yet, just in a few countries, airing in America doesnt constitute a "Worldwide" release, and clutter and appearance will affect the grade the article receives and if its bad enough, even eventually have the list be put up for deletion, so to avoid that chain i still move to keep just the one column Rau J16 22:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Did User:Jazzsax917 just post in the middle of a section, what purpose did that serve, i mean we already concluded that they were one chapter. Rau J16 00:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Part 2 is Chapter 11. Part 2 just aired in Canada and the title card read it as Chapter 11. And I've got proof: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/Greymon/ch11.jpg Now someone should fix the table. Modem (talk) 01:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah....and everywhere else in the world they were both one chapter. Doesn't add up.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Most places had them air the episodes together. Canada has the EXACT same version as the U.S. It's 100% positive that it's chapter 11. I mean seriously, look at the screencap. You can't screw up something like this. There's no possible reason you could deny this. Modem (talk) 09:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Except in the US, it says "Chapter 10" as it has everywhere else in the world. Until we get either offical confimation from Nick or the next episode comes out, then we can change the Chapter #. --The Placebo Effect (talk) 09:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Plus you digital camera shot of your TV is hardly reliable, that could easily be photoshoped to say "Chapter Eleven". Where as avatar spirit says that it is one chapter, and they are more reliable than your word of mouth. Rau J16 21:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Meh, whatever. You'll see that I was right whenever they reair the episode individually or whenever Nick's official Avatar site updates their Book 3 page. It's not like Avatar Spirit is 100% correct all the time. Modem (talk) 05:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

It told you so. Nick's official site has it as Chapter 11. http://www.nick.com/shows/avatar/index.jhtml And if you can't see it, then here: http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ch11hafq3.jpg Modem (talk) 05:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, well, ONE: see b.y.w's post on the episode's talk page, he reached an understandable conclusion there, i have also made a point there(though not as good or resounding as b.y.w's). also, to keep this part of this discusion constructive, lets keep it on the other talk page, more people are responding there. Rau J16 06:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

An Important Proposal

Ok, I dont know if this has been talked about but I feel this is important. While I do know that the matter of UK aired epsiodes has been discussed, I feel that this needs to be settled. I propose the creation of a new section or a new article with the various international air dates of Avatar: The Last Airbender. There is so much confusion on the world wide web about which Avatar episodes air when and where. Some of us know this is because people in various countries for example the United States want to know when episodes air in the UK, because the sooner they air, the sooner they know they can watch the episodes illegally online. I feel doing this would clear a lot of things up for a lot of people by providing a place where anyone can check when episodes will air in their region. That is what wikipedia is all about. After all it is an encyclopedia and should be a reliable source of information for anyone who needs it. Im not going to go into an entirely different subject but, the information that is available should not revolve around the schedule of the United States like it currently is, and I live here, and it is personally quite irritating. Please comment. Ebmonkey2 (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that this would be like a TV guide. Good luck explaining at the AFD for this article that it is needed for the wiki. The Placebo Effect (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

They did reach a conclusion, it was to put the date that it aired anywhere first, any time you see the U.S. dates as the 'original' the page has been edited by people who dont use the talk page, i checked the page before writing this, and those are the "First Ever" dates, with 6-9 having U.K. dates(you can tell because they are so close) Rau J16 20:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

However, and addition to the episode listings which includes the US air dates would considerable end all unnecessary further questions relating to this topic Jkdz100 (talk) 00:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Come on guys. Are we making an encyclopedia here or are we making an avatar fan-site, being careful not to step on its fanbase's toes. The bias towards US, UK or what country else -should- go. Why should a UK or US airdate have any significance to any other part of the world? People, who are just frustrated they haven't seen the eps yet, should not participate on such a note in this article. We should also remove the US and UK airdates from the template on each individual ep's page (avatar is one of the only series with such a contruction in its template), altough I do not know if this is the right place to discuss this matter.-Catneven (talk) 09:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, they should be removed from the articles, and if you would not discuss it here, then where, if you did it on the episode pages the discussion would be too wide spread to contribute any merit. And i also agree that the country doesnt matter, look at naruto, only about half of the series has aired here, and they list all of the episodes, even disregarding language. Rau J16 19:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Why not just remove the airdates altogether if it's going to be this much of a problem? I doubt anyone comes to Wikipedia for the purpose of looking up the original non-country-specific airdate of Avatar episode #18.74.73.7.57 23:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

That's not an option. We don't censor a page because of bad edits. If somebody puts in the wrong airdate, they can be reverted. See? No problem.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

"people in various countries for example the United States want to know when episodes air in the UK, because the sooner they air, the sooner they know they can watch the episodes illegally online"-is there no greater insult? Keyblade Mage 00:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

(REINDENT)Concerning this topic, no, there is no greater insult. but Fyre is right, plus it says on the list "Original Airdate" which implies anywhere at anytime, as long as its first; not even necessarily in English. Rau J16 04:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

"Come on guys. Are we making an encyclopedia here;" why wouldn't a multiple listing of air dates be more beneficial? this is not a US vs World debate, i believe it is more beneficial to the public to list multiple air dates, regardless of previous trends. Jkdz100 11:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC) Yes, we are, but i think we should stick to just "Original Airdate" its not biased, and it is informative, and very simple(or at least it should be) Rau J16 22:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Some remarks about "upcoming episodes"

"The Day of Black Sun" has already aired in some countries, this means the release date should be adjusted (30 November is only in the US) and it should be placed in Season 3. The Next Episode is "The Western Air Temple". The Western Air Temple is situated nearest to Fire Nation territory. It exclusively housed female Airbenders, and is the only temple not yet seen in the series. It is mentioned at the end of The Day of Black Sun, after the invasion failed, that they would go there for safety. Some theorize this episode will contain mayor revelations concerning the main characters, though this is hypothetical of course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.224.134 (talk) 23:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

A reliable, and verifiable source would allow this change to be made, but with out one, it is nothing but speculation. The reason that the Thirtieth is placed there is because this is the only date that we have a source for, no other date has been confirmed, there for we cannot assume that it has been aired somewhere. Without a source of course, you provide one(a good one) and then we can discuss how to handle it. Rau J16 02:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This is actually really annoying. Both parts have aired in the Netherlands, but finding a decent source saying so is a bit of a headache. AvatarSpirit mentions both aring, doesn't give a date for part two, though.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Avatar Spirit says a 'a day or two' so, i figure we should just list them as the same date, because well for one, its easier; and two, the post was on the 24th, with the episode airing on the 23rd, so i think that it would be safe to assume that the second part aired after the first, which would put the date on the 23rd(assuming that the post was edited on the same day that it was posted. Rau J16 19:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

these are the titles of the unanounced episodes that were discussed in a chatroom with some of the makers of avatar

12. The Western Air Temple
13. The Dragon of the West
14. Firelord Ozai recruts
15. The Prey of the Face Stealer
16. The Combustion man returns
17. The avatar state: P1 - Seeking another Guru
18. The avatar state: P2 - Chakras again
19. King Bumi
20. The Search (triple length)
21. Firelord Zuko (triple length) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.45.142 (talk) 02:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

when, and where were these announced, because they seem like fan-fiction to me, because Iroh is next in line to be Fire Lord. they already had an episode called "The Avatar State" and it is unlikely that they will have another. Combustion Man is no longer a threat because Zuko doesnt want Aang killed any more. i doubt King Bumi would get an episode title. Why would Fire Lord Ozai recruit, he has the most powerful army in the world. I can see 15 and 12. but the others, no, i cannot. plus "discussed in a chatroom with some of the makers of avatar" isnt very reliable, nor verifiable. plus i doubt they would release them like that, Nick would hold a press release. Rau J16 06:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

it has already been stated officially that book 3 will have 21 episodes, and the finale would be 2 hrs, and since 318 is listed as "avatar state, part 2", that would prove that the info is false --Verdad1963 (talk) 13:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know rauj16, Iroh is not next in line for the throne. Once the current king has offspring, they automatically becoming the next in line for the throne. So since Zuko is the oldest sibling, he is techinally the next in line for the throne and failing that, his sister Auza will be the next FireLord (providing the FireNation believes in Women Leaders).Wild ste (talk) 21:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Western Air Temple

Someone keeps adding the episode, but i was under the impression(after checking the sources) that the episode has not been announced. I tried removing it, but i cant hide the coding(dont know how) and the little hidden comment said to hide it, so i figured i would come here and ask someone who knows how to do it to remove it. Rau J16 03:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The actual episode has been announced, but where did the release date come from? Arogi Ho (talk) 03:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Where was it announced? Rau J16 03:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It's been leaked. Watch-Avatar.com claims it will have the episode by today so we can confirm the name then. Still doesn't mean we can do the page. Hell I don't even know if we'll be allowed to use the name. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 16:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The episode has been listed at IMDb for quite some time (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417299/episodes#season-3) --M.A. (talk) 06:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

tv.com has also followed and listed the next episode as "The Western Air Temple" (http://www.tv.com/avatar-the-last-airbender/show/28841/episode_listings.html?season=3&tag=nav_bar;3) Jkdz100 (talk) 00:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

neither one of those sites are to be used as sources, both are user driven. and the episode hasnt been leaked, i checked the same site that i found DOBS on and its not there yet, perhaps it will soon, but it hasnt yet. Rau J16 19:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

however at the end of "day of black sun: the eclipse" there is evidence that leads to the relocation of the adventure to the western air temple. regardless what the episode is named, it is located at the western air temple. 71.195.9.253 18:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

While that is very true, that is not the discussion, the discussion is of the episodes existence, and how it should be handled; and honestly, i think some one over at Avatarspirit should just call nick and settle this once and for all, but unfortunately, i dont have contacts to ask them to do that. Rau J16 04:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

New information is over at avatar spirit which clearly confirms the episode. Rau J16 21:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think avatar spirit is a reliable source. The episode should be officially announced by nick before we can include it in the article. So I'll go ahead and revert your edit. --Slartibartfast1992 21:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, One, we have used them as a reliable source before, and two, did you look at the information, how can that not be reliable? Rau J16 03:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, when I followed your link, the only info I got was "server not found", and I decided to look for it by myself out of common sense. When I found it, it was a box, claiming that the Western Air Temple was going to come out. No link to any official Nick info or anything. And, in case you haven't noticed, <!-- NOTE!!! ONLY TVguide.com AND Nick.com ARE USED WHEN FINDING UPCOMING EPISODES. Please read Talk:List_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_episodes#Announced_episodes for information as to why.-->. Nothing about avatarspirit. And, somehow, "How can that not be reliable?" doesn't quite convince me. --Slartibartfast1992 21:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[REINDENT] i was reffering to the new post on their home page, if you read it, its kinda hard not not consider that reliable, heres the statement:

"Next up was a few breathtaking background shots from some unaired season 3 episodes. Dave confirmed most of them were from episode 312, "The Western Air Temple." " that is taken directly from the post, also, to me, this constitutes as an announcement made by the creators, which is more reliable than Nick. Rau J16 01:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

First off, who ever said we only use Nick and TVGuide was wrong. We've used numerous other sources before, those two sites hardly have a monopoly on legitimate reporting. Usually, they do end up being the best, but not every time. Saying it in HTML comments doesn't make it true. Now then, the article being referred to above is here. Reading this, we have an announcement from a named representative of Nickelodeon at an official function. Refusing that because of the site its on is just pedantic, pointless bureaucracy.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

So.... do we include it? (Also O.o big words....) Rau J16 21:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I misinterpreted the message on the edit text. But I anyway didn't judge this page as reliable (which is the one I found). The page you gave the link to (which I had been unable to find before), however, makes me doubt. I didn't see the pictures they were writing about, but if they say that they saw them, they probably did. So... I don't know. Just think of my opinion now as neutral, I guess. Maybe you were right, Rauj, when you said "How can that not be reliable?"--Slartibartfast1992 23:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Everyone makes mistakes, im just happy we reached a conclusion, i hate when these things drag out for too long. I'm going to add the episode now. Rau J16 11:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Unaired Pilot

This is going to sound trivial compared to the whole "Western Air Temple" thing, but why is the "Unaired Pilot" listed under "Book One: Water"? Although its part of the Season 1 DVD, it is still not part of the continuity. --Hydrokinetics12 15:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It's there because even though it is not part of coninuity, it is still a version of the first episode, placing at number 01a(where "Boy in Iceburg" is 01b) which paces in it book 1 Rau J16 23:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

DVDs section

it has already confirmed that there are 21 episodes, yet it still lists only 20

second, there is a need to confirm since nick made both the black sun episodes part of "chapter 10", if the whole one hour episode will be part of DVD 2 or that episode will be separated between DVD 2 and DVD 3

there is a chance DVD 1 is chapter 1 to 5, DVD 2 is chapter 6 to chapter 10(including 311)

than it comes the complicated part, is 312 chapter 11 or chapter 12?

depending on how it will be named chapter wise

DVD 3 will be chapter 11 to 15 or chapter 12 to 16(312 to 316)

DVD 4 will be chapter 16 to 20 or chapter 17 to 21(317 to 321) --Verdad1963 23:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

We already know that 312 is chapter 11, you are the only one making it complicated, the DVD section goes by chapter, so it only lists twenty, and there is no chance that the finale will be a four part chapter, because there is no reason to suspect that. and if it is separated on the DVD(which is unlikely) we will make the change when more information becomes available. Rau J16 23:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Air Date

The air date for Book 3 Chapter 10b (episode 51) The Day of Black Sun Part 2: The Eclipse has TWO comment tags, one after the other, that aren't very clear:
1) Date is approx. If you find an exact date, please add it. NOT THE 30th!!!
2) Aired in Netherlands on this date, DO NOT CHANGE!
The date in the article is November 23, same date as Part 1 of the same chapter. It looks as if the person who added the second comment forgot to remove the first comment. Does anyone know the actual date this episode was first aired in the world? --Secretss (talk) 09:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

You are close, it was the second comment that was to be removed. I forgot to remove it when i added the one before it. I added it because the date was an estimate, originally i had it as the 24th, but i figured it was reasonable to have it as the 23rd as well, so i didn't change it back when some one changed it to the 23rd. I still do not know the date, hence i have not changed it. Rau J16 19:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

New Template

While i think that a new template was a good idea, and i like the one that is there now, i do have some questions.

(1)If the template removes the chapter number, some people might not like that.
(2)If it goes by episode number(this is for you placebo) why is DoBS marked as 50.1 and 50.2, those aren't the episode numbers, the numbers are 50 and 51.
I would like to discuss this before anything happens(because i see something very well may). Rau J16 19:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah..there need to be some changes here. The chapter numbers really should be there, for one. And, also, as above, that 50.1 and 50.2 is a complete invention. And, frankly, the whole thing looks, well, ugly. It was more readable before, IMO.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Let me explain myself. First of all, i switched to this new template because with the season 1 episodes beong marked as not meeting WP:EPISODE, Parent and I have started making an article for Season 1. Since this article will be all 20 combined, I assumed that the directors and the writers would not be included on that page and that it would be a good idea to add it here. Now about DoBS, both said Chapter 10, so they are the same episode, what is happening is that their will still be 20 episodes, but 21 half hours. DoBS was merged into one episode, so it is necassary to know this. And as for the chapter number, all it involves is taking the episode number and subtracting either 20 or 40, or looking at the production number, it shouldn't be that hard. The Placebo Effect (talk) 20:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you're wrong about DoBS. Its two episodes, but one chapter. And I'd like to object most strongly to mereging the episodes. We discussed that before and soundly rejected it. Did WP:CONS stop being policy while I was napping or something?--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

No ,but other polices override consensus. Take a look at the WikiProject talk page. The Placebo Effect (talk) 20:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Why do we even have talk pages if we just ignore them completely?--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Er yeah I'm completely lost as to why the page no longer has summaries of the episodes and the pilot isn't listed. Hello2112 23:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Nvm. Hello2112 23:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I know! honestly, im satisfied with current template, but it just needs to be revised a little. first thing to be changed it the inclusion of the Production Code and the Episode number, are they both needed? why not replace the production code(or episode number) with chapter number. Also, i like the inclusion of the director, and writer, but how about only have the HEAD director and HEAD writer, that would clean it up some and make it more readable. Rau J16 02:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Rau. I prefer having the books and chapters on the page. The introduction of the article state that The series classifies each season as a "book" and each episode as a "chapter." I think the episode tables should definitely reflect this. What are production codes for anyway? The individual synopsis pages for the episodes have the production codes, so I don't understand why they need to be on the list page. And I agree that just one name each for writer and director would suffice. And anyway, "episode" differ from "chapter". DoBS is one chapter (10) that spans two distinct episodes (50 and 51). Currently with the production code on the page, this little nugget of information isn't shown. --Secretss (talk) 09:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Production codes are what the episode is refered to by the producers before it has a name. And you can change the number, IT is just that, because the Season 1 articles are in the proceess of merging (See the Wikiproject Talk Page) I did this to add Writers and Directors since that information I belived would have been gone. Like the WikiGuideline say So fix it! I am no more important than any of you in this matter so you are free to change it to the way you believe is right. If we like it, then it will be left alone, if not, then it will be disscused further here. The Placebo Effect (talk) 16:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Next Episode

When does it come out? --Neilmodi (talk) 15:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

When some one know, it will be here, until then just sit tight and keep the discussion on the article. Rau J16 21:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Western Air Temple - Add it

Avatar Spirit Setherex (talk) 00:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Setherex. I actually found another page on avatarspirit. But that page anyway contains no information other than that the episode will be called "The Western Air Temple", and I don't even find that reliable. We only use official Nick releases as reliable sources. --Slartibartfast1992 01:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, see the discussion titled "Western Air Temple". --Slartibartfast1992 23:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Question - wats the episold after western airtemple? is it " The Great Joker " ... 125.237.111.27 (talk) 05:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

That is not confirmed yet, The only opcoming episode name we know is The Western Airtemple Rau J16 16:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)