Talk:List of Blood+ characters

Separate articles for each main character?

User_talk:Horashe has created a stand-alone article for Saya Otonashi. It is almost a duplicate of the section List of Blood+ characters#Saya Otonashi. Do we really need to have separate pages for each anime character? Joeinwap 10:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I would say that there is enough already written for Saya, Haji, and Diva to have their own articles. I think enough could be written for Kai and maybe Riku to have their own articles as well. I think this page is kind of long and would be better if it were broken up that way. I think the Schiff could use their own article as well. --Eruhildo 19:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I see that the other page, Saya Otonashi, is no longer visible; it redirects to List of Blood+ characters#Saya Otonashi now. Joeinwap 10:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Update: I finished splitting Saya Otonashi from this article and added info on the Blood: The Last Vampire character. I'll work on the other main characters soon. --Eruhildo (talk) 00:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

There should be enough out-of-universe information to justify separate character articles. As far as Saya goes, there should be an abundance of that out there and considering her character is central to not only the series but a movie and manga as well then having an article for her is necessitated. However, for Haji and the rest I don't think it's needed. Fox816 (talk) 04:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Saya's info is now back in this article and the Saya article AfDed for the second time. There was no justification or reason to undoing the first AfD consensus; Saya in Blood+ and in Blood the Last Vampire are too different to need a combined article, each article covers her sufficiently in their own contexts. None of the characters meet the notability requirements for having their own articles and it violates WP:PLOT. Collectonian 09:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I should be able to find enough sources for the Saya article if you give me a few weeks (I have finals coming up). As for the others, I agree that there is not enough to justify them. --Eruhildo 01:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Saya's article is already up for AfD. As Blood+ and Blood the Last Vampire are dramatically different, Saya's character in each should be covered here and in Blood the Last Vampire's main article, as it already is. Separate character articles are strongly discouraged and it will just get AfDed again. She is already well covered here. Collectonian 01:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I insist, the Schiff deserve their own article...One of us has to make it...Well, I'll just edit it, that's the most I can do...

Okay ill get to work oh and im only providing the frame work. Deanostrodamus

I'll consider doing one on the Schiff over the weekend. I'll need to do a bit of research first though. --Eruhildo (talk) 19:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The Schiff do NOT deserve their own article. Please review WP:FICT and WP:PLOT. They are unnotable outside of the series and there is no real world information that can justify such an artice. If created, it would quickly be AfDed. Collectonian 09:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I just wasn't thinking when I wrote that post. --Eruhildo 01:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

oh well thanks for that discusion now you know what talking about creating an article does to someone as proactive me. Deanostrodamus the Mystical 14:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Deanostrodamus needs help!

Okay guys im sorry if i offended anyone by putting my article at the top but there i've made two article that i need help to keep from getting deleted. they are both about blood+ one is a kai profile and the other one is "the world in which we exist" episode. Kai [[1]] The world in which we exist [[2]]

please quick! help these kodomoppoi butas are annoying me! see i know japanese too! Deanostrodamus the Mystical (talk) 15:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Neither of those articles meets WP:NOTE or WP:FICT. Please read both thoroughly before creating anymore articles. WP:EPISODE also has good info on this subject. I've added a welcome message to your talk page with a slew of good links on editing Wikipedia. Please read at least some of those. Thank you. --Eruhildo (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately there is not enough reason to keep those articles. They lack any notable information outside of just retelling what happened in the series. Especially for articles dedicated to episodes, there should be reliable and carefully cited encyclopedic information such as, but not limited to, production notes/words from the director or author/design/influences/etc... If the article is plainly a recap of what happened in the plot then we can't do anything but have it deleted. However, what we will try and do is hopefully salvage the article by finding out-of-universe information to make it worth keeping. Although, it is primarily the responsibility of the creator of the article to add in this information when starting up the page and not relying on other editors to do the work for you. Keep that in mind in the future. Like Eruhildo stated earlier, please read the WPs relavent to fiction series as well as previous discussions regarding the general topic. I wish you luck in all your future editing endeavors. Fox816 (talk) 04:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I dont think there are any really deep meanings to the characters i mean the director of blood + didn't explain his show on Adultswim.com like paranoia agent's director did. but if i had to speclate i whould say that saya, kai, and riku are based on janet, tito, and michael jackson respectivly. Deanostrodamus the Mystical 13:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

More Clean Up

Some of the character sections need to be pared down a bit, particularly the less major characters. All of the sections are in heavy need of citations. At the minimal, citations from the episodes are needed (see List of Trinity Blood characters for an example of episode cites used to support the character descriptions).

Also, there are far too many images in this article, and they will likely get removed per the new effort to enforce the fair use policies (which require minimal usage). I'd strongly suggest finding group images that can be used to replace the individual images. I'm pretty sure a group image of Saya and her family could be found fairly easily, as well as one with Diva and her Chevaliers. I've seen several anime and television show articles hit already, where those not in compliance have ALL of their images stripped out, so let's be proactive and fix the problem before that happens. :) Collectonian 11:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Is that a threat? Deanostrodamus the Mystical 14:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it is a reminder of the MOS, the notability policy, and over all Wikipedia guidelines. If you choose to disregard them, then any such articles unnecessarily created will be sent to AfD and I will do so myself if no one beats me too it. Inidvidual character articles for a single series are completely unnecessary and do not meet the requirements for article creation. The ones that were already created are under AfD now. Collectonian 15:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

"Inidvidual character articles for a single series are completely unnecessary"? You've apparently never seen the Bleach articles. --Eruhildo 18:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I have and a similar discussion is occurring there because it also needs clean up. At least Bleach can make a slightly better case from the sheer insane length of both the anime and manga series. Blood+ is done, only 50 episodes, and easily covered in a single article. Also, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. Collectonian 20:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing with you on that - I just think you shouldn't make such a blanket statement and apply it to everything. I agree that most of the character descriptions need major clean up to meet standards, and as for the pics - I'll upload some group shots when I have some time. --Eruhildo 20:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I've done some clean up of several character sections, as shown by the many edit summaries, add a lot of episode citations, and fixed some formatting issues. Since I haven't seen the whole show, though, I limited my clean up to the parts I had seen. Hopefully it will be a guideline/inspiration for someone who has seen the whole show to follow in cleaning up other sections. As part of the clean up, I removed two characters who had no appearance of notability Ghee (had an extremely short section) and Joel Goldschmidt (I incorporated most of his section's stuff into the Red Shield intro as that is where it is most notable). I also removed a few images from mostly less major characters as being extraneous to start the move to compliance with the non-free image guidelines. Collectonian (talk) 09:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, the article looks a lot better. I kind of miss some stuff, but it really needed to go. As for Joel Goldschmidt, however, I think his part should stay in as his actions were the cause of the entire series. Maybe that's not enough to make him notable, but we can probably find something about him that's notable. --Eruhildo (talk) 22:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :) I agree on Joel, which is why I incorporated him into the Red Shield intro section, plus mentions in the main article and Saya & Diva's sections. I don't think he needs a separate listing, though, I could see it both ways. Collectonian (talk) 22:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

New pic

Ok, I've finally uploaded a group shot of Saya and some of her friends, but I don't know where to put it. It has Lewis, Julia, David, Haji, Saya, Kai, Mao, and Akihiro. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I would say it should probably go near the top of the article. It would fill the space to the right of the ToC quite nicely. But then, I'm not too familiar with the MOS. --Dinoguy1000 19:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Yay! Nice pic too! :) It does, however, need to be resized to 300 pixels on one side to fit fair use guidelines. I've put in the article where Dino suggested. What do y'all think? Collectonian (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks pretty good, though admittedly doesn't fill as much space as I'd hoped... Oh well, what can you do about it? ^^;; --Dinoguy1000 21:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll resize it and reupload it soon - I don't know that much about the fair use rules yet. Could I make the vertical edge the 300px side? I think if the picture was about 400-450px wide in the article it would look better. It would at least fill the space more. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, basically it just needs the shortest side to be at 300 :) Collectonian (talk) 04:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, done. Thanks for your help. ^_^ Does anyone know which episode might have all or most of the chevaliers together? I don't really want to use the b&w photos that were shown early in the series. I was hoping for a better shot. --Eruhildo (talk) 10:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't think of any episode that has any, unfortunately. Somewhere around episode 22-23, they were all together, but I can't remember if they were all on screen at the same time. We may have to wait and see if Sony uses one in the DVD releases for cover art or as an extra. :( Collectonian (talk) 11:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

W00T!!! I finally found an episode with all the Chevaliers in one room! I'm really not very good at figuring out where to put these group shots, so I once again ask that someone would lend me a hand. The pic has Nathan, James, Amshel, Solomon, and Karl from left to right. --Eruhildo (talk) 03:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool! I've put in the article near Amshel's section. I've removed the non-free tag since I think adding this one in place of the individual Chevalier pics has addressed the problem :) Thanks! Collectonian (talk) 04:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Awesome. Hey, do you think we should have a pic of Moses, Karman, and Lulu together? They're not in the pic that's there now and they're fairly main characters. Plus there's lots of times that they're together so it would be easy to take a shot. Just wonderin'. --Eruhildo (talk) 04:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would be very good. They are the main Schiff seen for most of the series, so their pic would be even more important the others. :) Collectonian (talk) 04:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello, everyone. I think that a shot of Moses, Lulu, and Karman together can be found on the Fourth (and final) opening of the series, and in Eps. 35 and 37. BTW, there’s a shot of a photo of Saya with her “adopted” family on the series first closing as well.216.196.213.141 (talk) 20:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)