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Postbeat Poets

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Not sure about this one, never heard of this concept before. It reads like an essay and is completely unsourced, so I'm inclined to think it violates WP:NOR, as well as WP:V and possibly WP:N. Google only turns up 40 hits, only one or two are actually related to the topic. Mr Senseless (talk) 18:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article in progress...was gonna finish before I saved but power glitch caused early save(?) Having trouble with refs linking so I manually inserted until I work out bugs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcohn (talk • contribs) 18:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still working on it...just please don't delete it. you deleted my first attempt without giving me a chance to remedy the problems and this is a lot of work for a newbee. I'm taking out the opinion and hunting for more links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcohn (talk • contribs) 21:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's promising, Jimcohn. At a first glance it is already somewhat improved. But there are very many statements that need references. --Dhartung | Talk 05:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly what is the definition of "in-universe descriptions"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcohn (talk • contribs) 21:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was inspired by our guideline for writing about fiction, which is not precisely applicable here. Essentially you shouldn't write from too far within a subject. The way I used it, I meant that there seems to be an insular point of view about what postbeat means. The guideline that actually applies is neutral point of view. Make sure that you are drawing references from major mainstream critics, not just those within the movement. As an encyclopedia, we are not here to tell the insider story, but rather to give an unfamiliar person context. Just as one central example, on whose authority is The Outlaw Bible such a central work to the movement? And are there other opinions of it? --Dhartung | Talk 05:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Senseless, when I google "post-beat poets I see "about 476,000"Jimcohn (talk) 02:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My personal recommendation would be a move to Post-beat. The "poets" is unnecessary and wrongly suggests a biographical (rather than textual) approach, and the version with the hyphen seems to be used in more formal sources. Also, we don't capitalize every word in a title unless it's a proper name. --Dhartung | Talk 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in progress, and appears to be improving. Photo is a likely copyvio though. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Editors,


Our thanks to you who are taking a serious look at our page and assisting us in making it useful to your viewers. That’s our goal too. We took in your feedback in over the weekend regarding source and citation and language and made a number of substantial changes to our entry, not the least of which was establishing, in short order, a clear scholarly trail from which this new field of poetics study is derived. This is the finished entry we wish to submit and we think it’s appropriate that it be published with Wikipedia as it is an underlooked cultural phenomena and not just an in-universe advertisement. Because we are new to this, please let us know if there is anything else we need to do. One thing we’d like more ordinary language information on is your licensing agreement and what is literally needed to get up the images we would like to use. Best to you all. JC Jimcohn (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm a little concerned about this "we" you are referring to. You wouldn't, by any chance, be writing the article on behalf of the poets mentioned in the article, would you? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I see your own article Jim Cohn has been flagged for WP:AUTO, so I see the answer is likely yes. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Jim Cohn... to name just a few Postbeat master poets with bodies of work deserving of serious study." Jim Cohn wrote that. He also created the article on himself which is now in the process of being voted for deletion. The whole thing smacks of WP:COATRACK and WP:COI, trying to tie himself and his colleagues to the notability of the Beats. Delete. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, in addition to the article on himself and the movement he claims to be a "master" within, Mr. Cohn has also created an article on his museum, which has since been deleted: The Museum of American Poetics.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


You say "Jim Cohn wrote that." In fact, it was written by "Jimcohn." Are you suggesting that these are one and the same? Jimcohn (talk) 03:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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