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Two things
K, two things. First of all, I personally think this should be titled "The Janitor", not just "Janitor", but that might be just me. Secondly, this article quotes what the Janitor says to JD (such as his wife only having three fingers) as though it were a true fact of his life; I always take what he says to JD to be mocking, as part of his "bullying role". A lot of what he says may or may not be true, there's really no proof of this.--The Wizard of Magicland 11:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. It might make more sense to re-label that section as "Alleged Family History" --69.183.42.41 17:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Since he's just referred to as Janitor and Janitor in this sense serves as his name as well as his job, I think Janitor works as the title Pnkrockr 16:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Mmm.. I don't know, I've heard him be referred to The Janitor as much as just Janitor, if not more. With the "Alleged Family History", that would be hard because most of the other points aren't really to do with his family. Crankytoad 20:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
His name is just Janitor.The Clydelishes Clyde 23:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Janitor's Real Name
I brought this up on the Scrubs talk page - Someone had included the trivia that Janitor's real name will be revealed by Bill Lawrence after the show ends. I can't find any sort of information backing this up (interviews, DVD commentary, etc), so I've removed it. Feel free to revert it if anyone can find a source. --Zybergoat 10:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- The Janitor's real name is used. In the series 3 episode "My Butterfly", Owen (the man pushing the trolly) refers to the Janitor as 'Kenny'/'Kevin'. 82.42.227.146 15:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)Rehm
- No, the character pushing the laundry cart is a bald woman named Helen, and she says "Hi cutie" to the Janitor. Script here --Zybergoat 06:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Show me where it says on that script that it is official? "Quick, but not perfect." 82.42.227.146 15:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Rehm.
- It says "Hi cutie" on the DVD subtitles too.--The Wizard of Magicland 11:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Show me where it says on that script that it is official? "Quick, but not perfect." 82.42.227.146 15:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Rehm.
- No, the character pushing the laundry cart is a bald woman named Helen, and she says "Hi cutie" to the Janitor. Script here --Zybergoat 06:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe his name may be "Tom" - in 511, "My Buddy's Booty", at about 18:51, the man in the blue jacket standing towards the camera sounds like he says "Nice one Tom" to the Janitor when he makes a fool of Dr. Cox. Is he actually saying "Nice one Tom" or "Nice return"? --Fragsta 22:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, he's saying "Nice, you tell him." --EdenMaster
- Ahh, I see. Okay, thanks for clearing that up :) --Fragsta 17:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I just read something at MovieMistakes.com - because Neil Flynn actually played the security guard in The Fugitive, and so did the character The Janitor, then Neil Flynn is playing the part of himself - otherwise, Scrubs is set in a different universe to ours. Otherwise the Scrubs team would have a bit of a continuity error on their hands, eh? And we all know they don't like that. --Fragsta 23:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- With Fragsta's comment - I think its a bit far to say Scrubs is in a different universe, as theres quite a few references to outside material, like The Fray, Dane Cook, the Iraq War etc. It'd be a little weird to conclude that it's an alternate universe where everything is exactly the same except Neil Flynn had a lookalike that pretended to be him whilst working as a janitor or something.
- I don't mean different universe quite like that. What I mean is, are the credits for The Fugitive the same in Scrubs as they are if I watched the credits? If so, we can safely assume that the Janitor's real name is Neil Flynn.
- I'm not sure where I read it on here, but I remember it saying that the Janitor's role in The Fugitive explained his reasons for becoming a janitor, or something completely different to that. If you have any idea what episode Dick Van Dyke features in I'll gladly look it up. Crankytoad 19:58, 03 April 2007 (UTC)
In the episode with Dick Van Dyke, when he passes janitor in the hallway, he says "hey, _____" or something to that effect. Would someone look into that? Thnx 72.65.129.40 19:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- The Dick van Dyke episode is episode 2-14 My Brother, My Keeper. When Dick van Dyke passes the janitor in the hallway he says: "Well, if it isn't my favourite custodial engineer." So unless you are referring to another scene, he doesn't use his real name there either. Blur4760 19:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
There was an episode where the janitor pretended to be a doctor called Dr. Ján Itor. Maybe that is his real name (in the series) User:Shadow Kratos 19:38 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Could his name be Brian?
I was just watching the episode "My Long Goodbye" and realized that, when the Janitor asks to be alone with Laverne, Buckland tells him "I love you Brian." Could this be his "real" name? Cato152.23.65.72 21:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- I've watched that scene a bunch of times trying to hear it, but for the life of me I can't make out a "Brian". The scene goes:
- Janitor: I'd like to say something in private.
- Ted: I love you.
- Janitor: Okay, yeah. It's all right.
- Maybe you're hearing when the Janitor says "Okay, yeah" or something but I'm quite certain there is no Brian in there...EdenMaster 00:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Try using Closed Captioning next time. — MrBucketT/C00:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC) 15:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I have also just watched this (I'm slightly behind) and it definately sounds like Brian. I know that the captions do not say this, but I have noticed that (I always have them on, sort of a habit) that the captions are slightly different alot of the time in Scrubs. I am aware that the name has yet to be revealed 86.149.120.99 (talk) 21:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Zack Braden
1000 Wikipoints to the first person who can garner any meaning whatsoever from the following sentence that's currently in the 'Name' section:
"According to a slip-up by Bill Lawrence on a talk show he may have accidentally referred to a "Zack Braden" being a character that the actor pulled a star out of an extra role, which is what Neil Flynn did."
I mean, huh? Words in order random meaning convey little run-on misplaced auxillary merengue hatchet. 172.132.62.167 16:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, this sentence is not at all clear. Purple monkey dishwasher. EdenMaster 06:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- My guess would be that the sentence is meant to convey the following meaning: "Bill Lawrence accidentally referred to a Zack Braden character in a talk show. According to Lawrence, this Zack Braden is played by an actor who originally appeared as an extra on the show but, despite his extra status, has evolved to be somewhat of a starring character." Only a guess though. Blur4760 09:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm buying the whole "Zack Braden" name claim that's running rampant here. Until we get a citation, or at least something better than "Bill Lawrence slipped up and said it", it's just speculation. Besides, we don't even know if it's the Janitor he's referring to. By now, all the episodes of season 6 have seen shot, just not aired. He could be referring to a character that hasn't been seen yet, for all we know. Scrubs has made supporting characters out of plenty of extras (Dr. Mickhead in an excellent example) and they could do it again with another of the many familiar but unnamed extras. I'm removing it for the time being. EdenMaster 04:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Tom
In season 5, episode 11 ("My Buddy's Booty"), Dr. Cox walks up to the Janitor who is surrounded by friends and Cox says, "Can I talk to you for a second?" Janitor then replies, "What's the matter, Sally? Vending machine out of bras again?" The group then giggles. The man standing next to him softly replies, "Nice one, Tom." This then reveals that the Janitor's true name is Tom. (If you want proof go here) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.250.43 (talk • contribs) 22:59, July 30, 2007 (UTC)
- This has been said a million times, and it's wrong. If you actually pay attention to the video, he says "nice, you tell 'em". And if you need further proof, how about the fact that it is common knowledge that the Janitor's name will not be revealed until the very last episode of Scrubs, and even more so, the writers haven't actually decided what his name is going to be--Jac16888 19:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- I watched the YouTube clip several times, on maximum volume. There is clearly an "L" sound between the "T" and the "M". He's saying, "Nice, you tell 'em!". The lack of a name is a major aspect of the character. I cannot fathom why so many people think that the writers would "slip up" and "accidentally" reveal his name. Every line that a character speaks is carefully written by one of the show's writers. If they plan to change a fundamental aspect of a character, they're not going to do so through barely-audible background conversation. (The same argument applies to "Kenny" as well.) - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. Why do so many people not realise that the whole point is that we don't know his name--Jac16888 12:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- I watched the YouTube clip several times, on maximum volume. There is clearly an "L" sound between the "T" and the "M". He's saying, "Nice, you tell 'em!". The lack of a name is a major aspect of the character. I cannot fathom why so many people think that the writers would "slip up" and "accidentally" reveal his name. Every line that a character speaks is carefully written by one of the show's writers. If they plan to change a fundamental aspect of a character, they're not going to do so through barely-audible background conversation. (The same argument applies to "Kenny" as well.) - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Without straining my ears (which ain't what they once was), I can say for sure that the rhythm is all wrong for "Nice one, Tom." The comma clearly is after the first word, not the second. I've grumbled before about actors delivering lines with unnatural rhythm (a perennial one is "It happened three. Maybe four years ago.") but this one would be hard to botch. —Tamfang 00:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
It will never be revealed
In the podcast commentary for My Identity Crisis it is revealed that the Janitor's name will never be revealed. The podcast is located at: http://www.nbc.com/Scrubs/commentary/season7/nbc_scr_podcast_704_full_111507.mp3. It is said right at the end. Dlh1989 02:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
POV?
"He speaks Spanish and Korean as well as English, being also able to pull off, convincingly, at least 3 different accents of English ("My Friend the Doctor")." It seems that the convincingly part is a POV and my POV is that they are not convincing at all!!! Standardelephant 19:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
actually, that they are not convincing is YOUr POV, which we are supposed to avoid? the fact of the matter is the folks at the hospital were indeed convinced by his accent, so who's to say otherwise?
i must declare that i was the one who wrote this so i may be biased, would welcome other comments :) ahwang 06:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm merely stating that whether the accents were convincing or not is a point of view, I was stating mine is that they weren't convincing which of course I would not put in an article as it is MY point of view which as you point out shouldn't be in an article. I believe as an Englishman (with quite a strong regional accent) I am quite qualified to know if an English accent sounds right or some mish mash of various stereotypical english accents, having noticed you are from Singapore I must say I would never dream of stating that someone trying to speak Malay in a Singaporean accent was convincing or unconvincing especially when told by a Singaporean that it wasn't. I do see your point about the people at the hospital believing he was English maybe the article could be changed along the lines of him being able to successfully fool the staff into believing he was English Standardelephant 17:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I kinda thought it meant the accents convinced the show characters he was trying to convince. --69.183.42.41 17:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I would be concerned with POV if this occurred in real life. But since this is fictional, we are only concerned with the show's POV. That's not to say that a British character on the show would find it unconvincing. --Macrowiz 17:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
This could be solved quite easily if you just change it say something like 'everyone in the hospital is fooled by his dialects, with the exception of JD' or similar. That way its not POV as people in the hospital are truly convinced by his (rather shoddy) impressions. Crankytoad 19:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Personality
"although his bullying tendencies only seem to be in jest and as a break in his cleaning routine rather than actually being mean-spirited, as he has never actually physically harmed or criminally harassed anyone." This is simply not true. I am sure the kidnapping and placing inside the water tower of J.D. in S05E19 "His Story III" was criminal and physically harmful. Removed for now. 58.6.42.80 23:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Grandfather's OCD
I'm just curious about an explanation of how beating someone with a sockfull of nickels could be considered being OCD? Certainly doesn't seem like it could be an indication of a "correct diagnosis." In fact I'm pretty sure that was the intended joke. I think it should be changed.
- I Think the quote was something to effect of "My grandfather had OCD too, every morning when he woke up he would beat us with a sock full of nickels." Though I'm not sure of the exact quote, perhaps that note should be added. 76.18.84.254 05:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, the whole quote is:
- Casey - Yeah, I've got OCD.
- Janitor - Really? my grandpa had that. Every morning he'd take a gymsock, fill it up with nickels and just beat us! (To JD) That's OCD right?
- JD - The bad kind..."
So the Janitor does actually believe it was an OCD, does that count though? Crankytoad 19:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, if he did it every morning, as he says, it could be considered OCD, as he feels the need to do it every morning. Though, that is just how I see it. Neospawn 16:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the joke is in the switcheroo from a buildup suggesting OCD (a seemingly pointless ritual) to the revelation that the ritual has a purpose of mere mundane brutality. —Tamfang 00:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
J.D.'s innocence
Even though he doesn't mean to, JD does occasionally do horrible things to the Janitor, such as ruin his shirt, pull the ladder out from him, track mud on his floors, etc.
- What does this have to do with the article?--SUIT42 06:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- The article seems to indicate the Janitor mistreats JD for "no apparent reason" and that JD is innocent. I think the person was rejecting that theory and I would to a bit. I think mostly he does it because JD is a good adversary and because JD has quirks he finds annoying. (As I find them annoying too I sympathize) However JD has essentially admitted that he sometimes look down on people with menial jobs and even sees them as failures. He makes no real attempt, that I've seen, to befriend any menial worker. His efforts to be nice to the Janitor either backfire or can be seen as patronizing from the Janitor's perspective. The Janitor has also been accurate, at times, with his criticism of JD. (Like him telling him that his interns laugh at his jokes to flatter him and not because he's funny) Although the Janitor is so hostile and obsessed on the matter I'd agree it's mostly like a game to him.--T. Anthony 15:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
In any case, I'm not sure about the first one but JD didn't no The Janitor was using the ladder, nor did he mean to track mud on the floors, he specifically tried to avoid The Janitor at that point... Crankytoad 20:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Harvard
It is stated in the article, under Profile, that Janitor went to Princeton. But in His Story III it is said that the Janitor went to Harvard, and going through the episodes i cant find any evidence claiming that he assisted Princeton. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.189.208 (talk) 01:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
Additionally, in My Lucky Night (Season 3), Janitor asserts he went to Harvard while frustrated about a riddle. However, in My Déjà vu, My Déjà vu, I believe he asserts that he went to Yale while frustrated about the same riddle as in My Lucky Night. HoCkEy PUCK 21:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
The Yale part, I believe he was talking to Troy, the sloppy joe guy. This is entirely from memory, but I think he said, "Come on, Troy, you went to Yale for god's sake." or something like that. Neospawn 16:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Previous Employment
I think there were a few episodes in the series where the Janitor tells where he was employed prior to Sacred Heart. In one episode, I seem to remember him telling Ted that he used to be a Janitor for Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (to which Ted replied something along the lines of "who's that?"). HoCkEy PUCK 21:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- As I believe it already says in the article, it's virtually impossible to tell when the Janitor is telling the truth about his life and when he isn't.Addyboy 11:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Being part of JD's imagination
In My Occurance Ben talks about the janitor when he shows J.D. the photographs he's taken of him. Although this doesn't matter since he's real I thought it should be pointed out. EDIT: I just watched the end of that episode and it turns out that the photo thing was just a dream, or something. Cardboard boxA 14:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC) 14:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
If I remember correctly in season 1 there is a scene where JD and the Janitor are talking and behind them there is someone in a grey uniform cleaning . This could be an instance where JD is not talking to the real janitor and a sign that the Janitor may not be real at all. The episode is "My Old Man" and happens when the Janitor's "Dad" tells him to do push ups on the hospital floor Ecor200 21:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- We know that the Janitor is real now because he has interacted with all the main characters, him being imagined was just a possible ending for if Scrubs only lasted one season--Jac16888 21:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Deaf Sister
Listed under Dubious Claims is:
"He claims to have a been taught sign-language by his father to communicate with his deaf sister. ("My Words of Wisdom")"
However, watching this episode I felt that this may not be so dubious. When asked if it was true, he said "Mostly... my father died before I was born", and I felt this was converyed with an air of sincerity that was meant, to indicate that, for once, the janitor was being truthful and releasing information about his life. --Darksun 00:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- But, at the same time, JD pointed out that he's met his father (R. Lee Ermey, remember?), and Janitor was quick with a retort for that as well. It's also not the first time he's said something with emotion, or used a very convincing tone of voice (like when he pretended a child was his son to embarass JD in front of Elliot after saying mean things about him). Bottom line is, Janitor is a chronic liar, you can never be 100% certain what he says is true or not. Everything must be taken with a grain of salt. EdenMaster 06:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, but with the fake son they pretty quickly showed he was just some boy he never met. Usually when he's sincere acting, yet may still be lying, they give some kind of "nudge" to show you that. I'm not positive they meant that to be true, but he did know sign language and I think the deaf sister was intended to be some kind of reality. (Also the idea he'd pay "a man", who as I recall was mean to JD, to pretend to be his father strikes me as more plausible than him making up that his father died before he was born as he'll now have trouble with "crazy dad" stories.)--T. Anthony 06:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
$4000
I edited the Dr.Kelso article, I'm watching the episode as I speak.. Voyagerofdoom 22:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
O RLY, You're so cool. 194.72.54.162 (talk) 16:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Baby Crate
As stated, the Janitor says many things that must be taken with a grain of salt. However, he does seem to be messed up in the head, at least a bit. He gives some allusions to what may have caused this. In one episode, I can't remember the name, during a baby shower or something for Turk and Carla, he gave them a "baby crate" as a gift. It was actually a pet carrier kennel. When Carla said something along the line of "We don't have a dog," he says, something like "Dog? It's a baby crate." He is then seen later, not seeming to be acting for anyone, on a phone asking his mom about this discrepency between his own childhood and others'. The main reason that I don't put this on the article is my lack of specific information. However, if someone could verify it, that would make an interesting addition to either the "Dubious Claims" section, or just his general background. 24.34.133.93 23:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC) Stephen B.
- I don't think he's messed up. I think he's hilarious. In the Episode "My Extra Mile" Carla said to Janitor, "I know you're not as weird as you want people to think you are." - Shaheenjim 23:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Wrong episode
The main picture of this article is in fact not from the first episode, it's from a later episode, in which The Janitor blackmails dr. Cox, because dr. Cox doesn't want to know the ending of a football game. The picture is from a scene in which the Janitor pretends to have a creature on his lap, and when dr. Cox asks what it is, he replies: "It's Leonard! Half kitten, half monkey!" (with a british accent). If someone could find out which episode this is, and write the correct episode under the picture.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.120.226 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- The picture just shows what he looks like. The "first appearance" test describes when he first appeared. It's not a caption to the picture. They're not related. Please sign your posts. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 22:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I think i have to agree with the first person. it does seem a bit confusing. I'll try to find a picture from the first episode. (also he's blackmailing dr. cox over the heat lakers basketball game. not a football game.--Arsenal0328 19:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- hardly any pictures of characters are from their first appearance, because they don't necessarily make good pictures, for example, the first time we see janitor his back is to us, the next time, he's holding a coin in front of face--Jac16888 19:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
First season appearances
The list of first season appearances should be removed. It's blatantly obvious at this point in the show that he's not a figment if J.D.'s imagination. The occurrences listed are not really relevant to the character.... If no-one responds to this within one week, I'll just do it myself. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 17:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
- i feel they are in fact relevant, just to show how he interacted with people and yet could still have been part of J.D.'s imagination. Plus it fits in with the list of his first appearances--Jac16888 18:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)(of course its possible what i just said was garbage :) )
- Even though he turned out not to be a figment of JD's imagination, it's still an interesting bit of trivia that the show's creators initially considered making him one. - Shaheenjim 03:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- The list could certainly be condensed drastically. Looking at from this point in time, the Janitor is real. These "proofs" of his possible existence are unnecessary. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 16:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- The point of them isn't to prove that he exists. The point is to show that it was possible for him to not exist in the first season. Even though it looked like other characters were interacting with him, they might not really have been interacting with him. - Shaheenjim 16:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- The fact that his existence was uncertain in the first season can be described in a single paragraph. An exhaustive list of semi-appearances just seems very forumish to me. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ
- well not really, if anything, the ways its set out now is more encylopedic than a simple paragraph--Jac16888 10:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- The fact that his existence was uncertain in the first season can be described in a single paragraph. An exhaustive list of semi-appearances just seems very forumish to me. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ
- The point of them isn't to prove that he exists. The point is to show that it was possible for him to not exist in the first season. Even though it looked like other characters were interacting with him, they might not really have been interacting with him. - Shaheenjim 16:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I still fail to see the relevance of en entire list of "possible" interactions with other characters. Janitor is real, so it doesn't matter if he may or may not have interacted with other people in the past. Make a paragraph stating that these possible interactions existed. This huge list does not seem encyclopedic. I just don't see the reason to list out every quasi-interaction when it has been revealed the he does in fact exist. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 15:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- but its not a HUGE list, its not very big at all--Jac16888 21:11, 24 May 2007
(UTC)
- It's nine epsiodes. That's more than one third of the first season. The list fills the whole screen. Furthermore, it still isn't necessary. I don't see how it improves the article more than a well-written paragraph would. The list seems very trivial, and should be replaced with prose. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 03:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- how about replacing it with this table?, its somewhat smaller, and more precise, call it a compromise --Jac16888 16:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Few edits and new justifications. From the text, iirc if the show was cancelled in 1st or early 2nd season, janiutor would be imaginary, hence alteration of My Last Day. mattbuck 17:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
i'm gonna put it in, now its more complete, and accurate--Jac16888 17:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Gravy. mattbuck 17:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Table
This table is severely OR. Theorizing about "justifications" for why characters may not have been interacting the the Janitor is bot OR and irrelevant. After the seconds season, the producers decided that he does exist. There is no need to prove (or disprove) his existence. The whole point of the table seems to be "proof" that he might not have existed. However, he did exist, so we cannot "prove" otherwise. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 21:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Also, read WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of data. Read up on policy before replacing the table. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 21:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- just read it. and it doesn't say anywhere that wikipedia is supposed to be brief. ok the table contained OR, that didn't occur to me, but i removed all the non-significant items from the list. just because you can keep chucking irrelevant policies at me, doesn't make you right.--Jac16888 21:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- It's still full of OR: "It could be interpreted that..." etc. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 22:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- just read it. and it doesn't say anywhere that wikipedia is supposed to be brief. ok the table contained OR, that didn't occur to me, but i removed all the non-significant items from the list. just because you can keep chucking irrelevant policies at me, doesn't make you right.--Jac16888 21:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- ok then, have removed all the interpretations.--Jac16888 22:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- My original objections (a list is trivial and forumish) still stand. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 22:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Again: The point of them isn't to prove that he exists. The point is to show that it was possible for him to not exist in the first season. Even though it looked like other characters were interacting with him, they might not really have been interacting with him. - Shaheenjim 22:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- you're just being pedantic now, would you not be willing to compromise, as i have done by drastically reducing it. particularly as your concerns have no policy to back them up--Jac16888 22:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- "The point is to show that it was possible for him to not exist in the first season." THAT is original research. A simple cited paragraph about the producer's intent is what we need. And Jac, please avoid calling me names. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 22:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- you're just being pedantic now, would you not be willing to compromise, as i have done by drastically reducing it. particularly as your concerns have no policy to back them up--Jac16888 22:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- i wasn't name calling, i was making a point about your behaviour and unwillingness to compromise. like the policy on RFC tells us to.--Jac16888 22:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- I just made a big change to that section, summarizing it. I think it still makes the point, though. Check it out, and feel free to reverse it if you want. - Shaheenjim 02:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- That's MUCH better. I cleaned up the grammar a bit and now it looks good. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 02:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- I would've objected to deleting the information, but I have no objection to summarizing it. I actually agree that the summary is an improvement. One paragraph would've been too short, but three paragraphs works. I also just made it a separate section. I wasn't sure what to name the section, though. - Shaheenjim 03:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- That's MUCH better. I cleaned up the grammar a bit and now it looks good. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 02:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
From his edits, it looks like Jac16888 is now onboard with the latest verison too. If the matter is settled, should we delete this section of the discussion page now? I'm not sure what the protocol is with this type of thing. - Shaheenjim 20:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Hobbies
In the most recent episode, My Conventional Wisdom, he says that he is looking for a new role playing group due to being kicked out for using an actual warhammer. He then takes up rolep laying as the chief of medicine. 24.18.249.148 21:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Grammar?
Second bullet under "Production notes"
The word 'irony' is clearly misused. Suggest a rephrase? — MrBucketT/C 16:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- couldn't really see how it was misused, but have attempted to re-write to clarify, hope its ok.--Jac16888 16:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Is he respected?
Would you say that the Janitor is well respected among the hospital staff? I edited the article to say he was, but a couple people removed that statement. I think he is. When the hospital support staff wants dental coverage, he becomes their spokesman. And he used to be the president of the Janitor's Union. - Shaheenjim 03:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- i would say that he is respected, mainly out of his ability to create fear, and the fact he can often get what he wants by manipulating people. i suppose it depends on how you define respect--Jac16888 17:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
He went to Harvard
It was revealed in the episode with "the coin riddle" that he attended Harvard. -CamT|C 16:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Nearly all the Janitor's claims like that are disputable and in DVD commentary it is stated as highly unlikely that that one is actually trueAddyboy 19:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- All claims the janitor makes, such as as that, are listed in the dubious claims section, since we have no idea when he's telling the truth and when he isn't--Jac16888 19:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Bike
How many times does a man have to read that the Janitor has destroyed J.D.'s bike? Lots42 01:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
- errm, twice. Cos thats how many times its happened. If it says it more times than that feel free to remove any extras--Jac16888 11:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Uniform
Janitors uniform isnt mentioned. He initially had a dark grey uniform, then a "Robins Egg Blue" uniform ordered by Dr. Kelso, then a slightly darker blue uniform with no origin. Should this be put in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.196.157 (talk) 04:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- It seems to be pretty pointless information. So no. 68.77.91.91 02:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)