Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Liverpool task force

Thanks and welcome

Thanks for joining this task force, hopefully we will be able to have a more co-ordinated approach to Liverpool articles, and get as many as possible into such a state that they can be good, or even featured articles. John Hayes^talk 11:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Link

The link next to Liverpool FC on the WPF header it is linked to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Munich/Liverpool task force. It is a red link. I am not sure how to change it so I wont try. It does need to be changed though. mattypc 16:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done John Hayes^talk 21:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Userbox

I think maybe you should change the background colour I know it is the clubs colours but I have changed taskforce England and taskforce Womens football to the same background as are {{User WikiProject Football}} and {{User WikiProject Non-league football}}. So maybe it should be changed to make Football userboxes in the same style. mattypc 16:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well it is up to you, the box is open for anyone to edit, but none of those are associated with specific colours, whereas Liverpool is. John Hayes^talk 21:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool FAC

I feel this article is ready to be nominated now, but I feel we should discuss this first, anyone support this or object to it NapHit 17:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly looks close to me, but peer review first, please. Robotforaday 16:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More Members

We need to get some more members, I am sure there are more people who edit the articles on a regular basis, I just picked out you lot as you seemed to have done the most recently, but you probably know other editors. John Hayes^talk 21:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ask user:alii h and user:Seb Patrick? They've contributed to the articles quite a lot. ArtVandelay13 21:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done John Hayes^talk 21:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey guys. I go through fits and starts of contributing. I'm currently in a trough, but I'll help out when I can. aLii 23:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Important Articles

I would like to know why some players are on the list and others aren't! Some of the longer serving ones, (Hyypia, Finnan, Carragher etc.) El-Nin09 19:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC) [reply]

I just picked out a couple which need watching, either for current events or articles which suffer from a lot of vandalism, feel free to add/remove as you see fit. John Hayes^talk 21:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Award

Well i do this with everything i join, so how about a barnstar, merger with the Liverbird? El-Nin09 19:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Talk Redirect

I would like to propose redirecting Talk:Liverpool F.C. season 2007-08 to Talk:Liverpool F.C. because i can't see Talk:Liverpool F.C. season 2007-08 being used too often. El-Nin09 19:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Yeah seems fine. John Hayes^talk 19:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging

We need to tag some more articles, there are a lot of liverpool related articles which aren't listed as such. I'm going through tagging them as I see them, but if you see any article without {{Football|England=yes|Liverpool=yes|importance=Top/High/Mid/Low|class=B/Start/Stub}} give it the tag. John Hayes^talk 09:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I just got that from 30 to 69 articles, but that was just the current first team, some officials, and a few older players and managers. There should be plenty more. John Hayes^talk 10:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could we get a bot to do it? To tag all articles in Category:Liverpool F.C. and subcategories ArtVandelay13 10:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would be nice. Not sure if it exists. But I've also been adding the importance and quality parameters which have to be done manually anyway. John Hayes^talk 11:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently tagging all talk pages which don't have the football template with {{Football|England=yes|Liverpool=yes|importance=|class=}}, where the man page is in Category:Liverpool F.C. (using AWB)John Hayes^talk 01:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First 250 pages done, of which 130 were edited. Another 350 to go. After that it will get more complicated when I have to find ones with football templates but no Liverpool tags. John Hayes^talk 01:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another 180 edited, that's all done. My next task will be adding the Liverpool tag to all the football templates which don't have it. John Hayes^talk 22:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

However, please do not tag articles which would not meet notability criteria as being supported by the Wikipedia Football project unless you are certain that they would be. Players who have not played competitive first team professional football are not considered sufficiently notable to have an article, unless they have other grounds under WP:BIO. Kevin McE (talk) 01:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I realise that (see my comments on the Ryan Flynn afd). I simply have tagged the talk pages of those pages which are already tagged with the Liverpool category, I'm not making any judgement on those pages. That is the next step. John Hayes^talk 01:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And apart from that, until they are deleted, this taskforce does support them, so the template is accurate. Then finding the articles which should be deleted will be much easier if they are linked to this taskforce, than if they were effectively orphaned. John Hayes^talk 01:21, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My contention is with the tag that claims that they are supported by the WP:FOOTY comunity, which, if they do not meet its notability criteria, that community does not. To state that something which is ostensibly AfDable is an article that has support is easily read as meaning that that group has come to a consensus against its deletion. Kevin McE (talk) 13:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don't agree with that. It's an article on football, it currently exists. it should be part of WP:FOOTY. Once it has been afd'd, which most of these of these cases now have, it is obvious that there isn't a consensus against it's deletion. Alternatively maybe it's the text of the template that needs to change. Still if you want we can get some more opinions on this, but in any case I'm finished tagging now, and the articles that I found (through the tagging procedure) have now been put up for afd. John Hayes^talk 14:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've completed that as well now, another 110 edits, all Liverpool F.C. related articles now have the Liverpool and England tags, and importance and class, even if they haven't been rated yet. Which brings me to the next task, all articles without an importance or class rating need to be rated. This has to be a manual task, so I can do with some help. John Hayes^talk 11:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Players to add

The players to add list is pretty much complete - there are still some 0 appearance players to add, once I or others think of them. It will also act as a useful watchlist as new player articles appear. If you are to add new players, don't forget the MOS. ArtVandelay13 21:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Captains

I found List of Liverpool F.C. captains in a rather lacklustre state. I have cleaned it up but it needs referencing. I also think that it is probably worth merging to List of Liverpool F.C. players in much the same way that List of Aston Villa F.C. players does. Most of the captains will be notable in themselves? I don't know, only a suggestion, but it most certainly needs referencing. Woodym555 16:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is now up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Liverpool F.C. captains. All comments welcome. Woodym555 (talk) 16:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to the information from this article? User:NapHit seems to have completely deleted it from the List of Liverpool F.C. statistics and records article, and since the original article doesn't exist any more, all information on Liverpool's captains seems to have disappeared from Wikipedia entirely. – Pee Jay 16:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Userbox Image

I noticed the user box image was replaced with "THIS WAS NOT A FREE IMAGE" (a free image is requirement for userboxes apparently). How about using the image of the Shankly Gates? - that image is free and would look like this:

This user is a member of the Liverpool F.C. task force.

Astronaut (talk) 15:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To me it's not obvious to non liverpool fans what it is. And it's too big, I'm not sure if it would be very clear when it is shrunk down. John Hayes^talk 10:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You'll Never Walk Alone

You'll Never Walk Alone (song) is subject to frequent vandalism. Please keep an eye on it. Spion Kop (stadia) is worth clocking too. smb (talk) 21:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a dispute on page You'll Never Walk Alone (song) between myself, User:Barryob (Celtic fan) and User:RoyalBlueStuey (Everton fan). I would appreciate some input. RoyalBlueStuey asserts that YNWA has been "part of Celtic's tradition and heritage" for "two generations" and is pressing hard for inclusion of such information, something I find most dubious. Am I wrong to insist that he provides a separate source other than this, because it doesn't actually state when Celtic adopted the song? smb 12:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will have a look. But in short (without having looked at the issue), if there is no source with a date then the "two generations" which is a bit vague anyway, can't be mentioned. John Hayes^talk 13:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Mackay Steven

Please note that the article on Gary Mackay Steven is currently being considered for deletion. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:27, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article of the week month

I feel we need an article of the week, which we attempt to improve. Since setting this project up not a huge amount has changed. If every week we have a new article to work on it would mean that our efforts may be more concentrated. This could be anything from getting an article to good or featured status, to working on a stub. Anyone else like the idea? John Hayes^talk 16:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This could be a good idea, but perhaps "of the week" is a bit ambitious, and "of the fortnight" or "of the month" more realistic? Robotforaday (talk) 00:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True, ok what about having a couple of articles of the month. That way everyone in the task force who wants to can suggest an article every month, and we all take a look at them. Even if we only go and add a source or a few lines it will slowly improve the articles. John Hayes^talk 10:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool F.C. Reserves and Academy

Liverpool F.C. Reserves and Academy is in need of a lead section - it has been without one pretty much since the Reserves and Academy articles were merged (something I never really agreed with, although I was in a minority). I started the article as Liverpool F.C. Reserves, and had no problem writing a lead just for the Reserves, but I have no idea what should go in the lead for a combined Reserves and Academy article. Any ideas? (Perhaps it would make a good article of the month?) Robotforaday (talk) 19:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I'll make it the first (along with Martin Škrtel) John Hayes^talk 19:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable players section in Liverpool F.C. article

Just as a heads up, as the notable players section was removed from this article (I have copied the section in question into my userspace), I have started a discussion at WP:FOOTBALL about whether prose sections on notable players can be included within articles. I'd be interested to see what people who are familiar with the Liverpool F.C. article think about this, if they would care to take part in the discussion there. I just don't want to see wikipedia reduced to a series of dry lists, and I think that one of the most essential things any visitor to an article on a football club wants to know is "what famous players have played for that team". Robotforaday (talk) 19:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool Wiki

I have adopted this Wiki, and you can help [1] all help is appreciated. // F9T 21:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Steve McManaman

I'm going to try and get this article to WP:GA, I'm just wondering if anynone has an image of him we can use? John Hayes^talk 18:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletions

I'd really rather not have to do it, but I've put a number of the fringe first team players, who have yet to play a professional game, up for afd. Hopefully they will play soon, and therefore either the afd can be halted, or the articles resurrected. John Hayes^talk 02:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I support this, as the inclusion policy has to be even-handed, although I share your regrets. Robotforaday (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]