Talk:Uther Pendragon

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As part of a team of leading experts researching ancient British history since 1956 and having been involved in much of the recent activity I am wondering why the self-styled Cuchullain is removing my every post. This is pretty serious as he has a limited and blinkered view of British history that does not appear to be based on the best available manuscript evidence.

In terms of the King Arthur subject we are the leading experts and although this does not remove us from criticism our view is that at least an alternative opinion should be heard.

A worrying development.

Tim Matthews, Ancient British Historical Assocation, realhistoryradio@aol.com— Preceding unsigned comment added by Realhistoryradio (talk • contribs)

Mr. Matthews, alternate interpretations certainly are allowed and welcome here, but the books you quote are not reliable sources. We're not going to take your word for it that you and your colleagues are the "leading experts" on King Arthur, you are going to have to provide proper sources or at least rephrase your contributions to sound less definite. --Cúchullain ^t/c 00:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article doesn't states clearly that its contents are fictional:

"With Aurelius on the throne, Uther leads his brother's army to Ireland to help Merlin bring the stones of Stonehenge from there to Britain."

That quote appears in the section for the History of the Kings of the Britons, which is fiction.--Cúchullain ^t/c 00:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it was written as history it would be in the past tense. Uther is a legendary, not historical character, something that is stated right at the beginning of the article. I'd also disagree that the History of the Kings of Britain is "fiction", strictly speaking. It's not true, but that's not the same thing as fiction. --Nicknack009 01:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, "fiction" isn't the right word for whatever the Historia is. But the real problem is the user thought the article made Uther seem like a historical figure rather than a legendary one, and I don't think it does.--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pendraig or Pendragon

I brought this up on the talk for the Pendragon page, but went unanswered for a long time, so I figured I should bring it up here. Throughout Wikipedia there seems to be some confusion. Was the original Welsh Gwthyr Pen Dragon or Pen Draig? Dragon means "leader", while draig means "dragon". It makes a big difference, because I've heard Pendragon means War Leader (pen meaning "war") and "war dragon" or "son of the dragon". --Narfil Palùrfalas 13:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Pen Dragon meant he was the head of the Sarmatian cavalry, who often sported red dragon banners. I've heard it in various places. Shouldn't this be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gladius Terrae Novae (talk • contribs) 23:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, Pen Dragon is Old Welsh. The only connection between the title and the Sarmations is that the symbol of the Sarmatian cavalry was the dragon standard (though the Sarmatians were not the only Romans to carry such). --Narfil Palùrfalas (talk) 20:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So there's no chance it signifies his position? By the way, were some of the other dragon-standard-bearing Romans in Britain? ---G.T.N. (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

in considering the line of Pendragon's , Kings in Brittain, one sees they follow not

sequentially but only occasionally, so whenyou consider too the high rites and realize that only a few attain the highest status , THEN youfollow that this title refers to one who attains that highest status, of the Dragon, Highest King status

Unknowable

The teams olf "experts" write reams about the inknowable myths in regard to any country including Brittain. When,in areality the royal lines were recorded and are well known today. (just not to those experts). Those royal lines show the location and ancestors and descendants of all the long line of kings and include Uther and Sons Arthur and Eochaid descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, 126th HighKing of Tara/Ireland. /s/ willy the kang no. 144

A Dream of Eagles

I switched the title of Whyte's books to A Dream of Eagles (here and elsewhere), as that is what it is titled in CAnada, and Whyte is a Canadian authour.

I'm not sure that's right, at any rate there needs to be a redirect page to the more common title.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Kings of Britain

Someone has messed around with this paragraph; most of it is just some lame jokes. Maybe someone can repair the damages? -85.179.90.195 (talk) 06:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. It was just simple vandalism, I've reverted it.--Cúchullain ^t/c 07:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]