Talk:Quebec nationalism

"Quebec Nationalism" or "Quebec nationalism"?

"Quebec Nationalism" or "Quebec nationalism"? I'm thinking the latter. "Quebecois nationalism" may be even better. -- stewacide

Lower case would be better, yes. "Quebecois nationalism" would not be appropriate because, if in French "Québécois" simply means an inhabitant of Québec, in the English language it seems it refers to the French language culture of Quebec, not the whole of Quebec. Since "Quebecan nationalism", "Quebecian nationalism", or "Quebecer nationalism" either don't exist or sound improper, "Quebec nationalism" is the only choice left. This is how it is referred to in English. -- Mathieugp

My point was that the nationalism in question is restricted to the old-stock French speaking majority (the English usage of "Quebecois" as you correctly pointed out), and since that's what this article is about (right?) it would seem to be more acurate than just "Quebec".

"Quebec nationalism" would have to include all the nationalisms in the province of Quebec (not only the Quebecois majority, but the English, various indian and Inuit groups, etc.), but I don't beleive that's the intent of this article. -- stewacide 23:28, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Not really. There is only one nationalism that is based on the territory of Quebec. Native american nationalisms are numerous all accross the Americas and should be treated separately. Most Native American nations do not recognize the borders created by the colonizers of Europe. :-) There is no English nationalism specific to Quebec. There are indididuals who identify to the Canadian nation inside Quebec. Canadian nationalism is not based on the territory of Quebec. When a nationalism is territorial and civic, it has to include all its citizens, even those who do not identify to it. Some Quebec nationalists currently discuss creating a true citizenship for Quebec, inside Canada like in Switzerland. I think this would only make things more complicated, but hey, people have the right to their opinions. ;-) In the Questia Library, they call it Quebec nationalism.

Maybe we can link to other pages dealing with the First Nations and Canadian nationalism? -- Mathieugp

p.s. you should have moved the talk page with the article.

Good idea. -- Mathieugp

Scotland was misplaced on the list alongside Ireland, Germany etc as nations which had 'failed' republican movements within them. The only event i can think of which could be misinterpreted in this manner are the jacobite rebelions which were not scottish nationalist in character and were not motivated by ambitions of independance or republic (rather obvious considering they were wars in support of a deposed monarchical line.) -n Siarach

Why is Quebec nationalism a word used for other places too? "is the subject of many international studies together with the contemporary nationalism of Scotland, Catalonia and other non-sovereign regions of the world." I think this sentence needs to be changed. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 20:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Shouldnt the many criticism of Quebecois nationalist theory be added as well. Many anti-nationalists in Quebec who support the theory of multiculturalism argue that Quebec is just as divisible as Canada when it comes to language and ethnicity. If Quebec is a nation, than what about the Eastern Townships and West Mount with an English speaking tradition and British heritage centuries old, or the Mohawk and Innu of northern Quebec who most certainly do not see themselves as Quebecois either??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.97.241 (talk • contribs)

I realize this comment was added quite some time ago, but I will respond anyway. If you feel something needs to be added to the article, and you can cite facts from reliable sources, than by all means make said changes. If, however, you want only to add opinions and/or conjecture, please refrain. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 20:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Please respect wikipedia guidelines. Editors (anonymous or not) are allowed to make comments that are based on opinions or ideas on the talk page. That is the point of a talk page. Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 01:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

In Canadian Universities, we title "Quebec nationalism" using "French Canadian nationalism", denoting all French-rooted Canadians. Quebec is not considered an outlier, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.198.254 (talk) 03:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

This is unecyclopedic

The tone, the wording, the general course of the article strikes me as unencyclopedic. I don't know anything about Quebec though so while this should be rewritten, I'm not the one to do it Jztinfinity 08:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC) You are right. It is very biased, the person who wrote is obviously a nationalist

Québec Nationalism vs Québec sovereignty movement

The section on Contemporary Québec Nationalism link to "Québec Sovereingty Movement" as its main article. This is highly inaccurate ; Québec nationalisms exist outside and beyond the independance divide. (Or, in other words, nearly all independantists are nationalists, but many nationalists aren't independantists)

Contemperary Quebec nationalism contains far too much POV

First of all "Anglophone Canadian nationalism"? I think most Francophones outside of Quebec share the same Canadian nationalistic sentiment and there are still (believe it or not) many Francophones in Quebec who see themselves as being Canadian! So I do not think that Canadian Nationalism should be described as being strictly "Anglophone", because it is not.

Also when it came to the argument of Quebec nationalism being ethnic oriented as opposed to territorial I felt that again far too much POV dominated the presented thesis. The fact that study after study has shown that the vast majority of non-Francophones in Quebec, groups whose roots in the province go back just as far as the Francophones do not see themselves as being part of a Quebecois nation was ignored. So I made reference to it of course.

"There is little doubt, at least, that the post-1950s era witnessed a remarkable awakening of Quebecers' self-identity. The rural, conservative and Catholic Province of Quebec of the 19th and early 20th centuries has given way to a confident, cosmopolitan society that has many of the attributes of a modern nation. Regardless of their political leanings, Quebecers have come to see themselves as a unique people with a culture worth preserving. In recent years, however, this has often manifested in the reasonable accommodation debate, even or especially at official levels"

This seems like a huge amount of POV, but I'm not sure how it could be edited to sound less biased, or too at least make it clear that while Quebec's society has changed dramatically over the last half century (as has Ontario's, Newfoundland's, even Saskatchewan's, not too mention Canada in general) the idea that the geographic province of Quebec stretching from the Bay of Gaspe to the Arctic Coast constitutes a nation is not shared by everyone in the province itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 (talk • contribs)

What you have added here, as well as to the article itself, are a series of opinions. Please cite facts from reputable sources if you wish to counter what you see as inappropriate POV. Thank you. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 20:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

It's funny...this article cites nothing. So, your argument is moot, Jake. Half the things I've found here, while informative, aren't credible in any way. If you tell me to go read a book, I'll ask you which one, and you'll fail to give me an answer. I'd agree with Anon. 70.50.198.254 (talk) 03:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Joe

I have to agree with the anonymous editor in certain ways.

a) Canadian Nationalism is not unique to white Anglophone Canadians, and isn't explicit to the provinces outside of Quebec. I know many Quebecois that can be considered Canadian nationalists/federalists/pro-United Canada, and how is that referenced?

b) I also know many people within the borders of the Province of Quebec who do not consider themselves part of the "Quebecois nation" and thus do not consider the province to be a nation. That also cannot be referenced. Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 01:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)