Talk:Naruto

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Episodes: Accuracy?

I see that Naruto has 220 Episo, oh let me get to the point: The Episode Amount is NOT spcific and probily isnt even updated! I say that because, oh I dont know maybe because ITS STILL AIRING NEW EPISODES...sorry Im just a wee bit PISSED OFF right now! Point is can ya give an accurate update on Episode Numbers for the USA if ya may? =^_^=--Akemi Mokoto (talk) 15:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Naruto has finished airing in Japan. It has 220 episodes. That is the accurate episode count. When the US run finishes, it will have the exact same number of episodes. Collectonian (talk) 15:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

How bout the USA's Current Amount!--Akemi Mokoto (talk) 15:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Why should that be listed? No other anime article that I've seen directly indicates the number of episodes released in English, and it's easy enough to see by looking at the dates on the appropriate "List of ... episodes" article. —Dinoguy1000 16:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Agree with Dino. We're talking about the series as a WHOLE, not just specifically the series in America, even if we ARE on the English-language version of Wikipedia! IceUnshattered (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Why?

I noticed that a lot of Naruto articles have been shortened and put into articles like lists of naruto villians and stuff. Like Haku used to have his own article, along with Zabuza, Rock Lee, and a few others. I also heard that the tailed beasts used to have an article just abouth them. Is there a reason for this? Ichliebezuko (talk) 16:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Because they fail Wikipedia's notability requirements for fictional articles (WP:FICT) as they have no real-world coverage nor significance. Thus they were merged into character lists where they are more appropriate. Collectonian (talk) 16:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

So, if we found some real-world coverage, would we be able to put them back into their own articles again? (sorry, sounds like a stupid question, but i'd rather ask and feel stupid than screw up and feel stupid) Ichliebezuko (talk) 15:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Do note though that the characters would have to receive significant coverage (as in not a trivial mention in a single sentence, or a simple rephrasing of the plot) from reliable, verifiable sources that are independent of the subject material. Do so and we'd be happy to recreate the articles. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 16:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)It would have to be significant real-world coverage from reliable sources. For some examples, see: Rukia Kuchiki, Himura Kenshin, and Kakashi Hatake which are our three most recent anime/manga character GAs. Can also look to Naruto Uzumaki and Belldandy, which are prepping for GAC. Notice that while each article does give brief plot information, they also focuses on and include real world aspects including concept/creation, reception, and his appearances in other media. These are not sourced only from the original works and related media, but from third party sources as well. Not all characters from an anime or manga series can be taken to these levels because while they may be relevant to the series, in the real world they are not. Most characters from Naruto will not have this kind of information available or reliable-third party sources discussing them in any detail. If you think you can accomplish this with some of the characters that were merged, I'd recommend working on a new article in your user sandbox, then when ready presenting it for others to see to confirm it does meet the qualifications. Collectonian (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I see now. I'll have to go look for stuff now. Thanks! ;-] Ichliebezuko (talk) 15:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

If you were thinking in looking sources for Rock Lee, I was making one here. I could get good reception but nothing about conception.--Tintor2 (talk) 22:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Naruto In Wc3

Well , Naruto excists in Warcraft 3 too , There are like millions of Naruto RPGs and Naruto Arena maps etc. But those people who makes theese maps goes to Wacraft 3 modding websites and make millions of requests about making them Naruto models or Naruto spell packs.Well whats funny is that they usually use internet language , It may look like this. Lyek Hye Can yuo guyz make me N4ruto spelpax & some models pl0x pl0x. They keep spamming up Wc3 moding websites with theese requests and they dont use the search button! There are millions of threads that contain Naruto Model & Spell packs Requests.==

I think you're talking about the "Naruto Wars" project, or something similar. It isn't worth mentioning in this article. –Gunslinger47 19:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe in the videogames article if that game is legal.Tintor2 (talk) 19:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Genres (copied from Talk:Dragon Ball (manga))

Dragon Ball (manga) has been recategorized to the "Action" sub-genre of "Martial Arts". Should Naruto and YuYu Hakusho undergo the same adjustment?--Nohansen (talk) 19:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Tenjho Tenge may need some attention as well. I had some second thoughts about "adventure", but only because this series [Dragon Ball] isn't as broad as, say, One Piece or Saiyuki. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Naruto is "okay" where it stands. What exactly did you want to modify? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Action => Martial arts. The characters are martial artists, aren't they?--Nohansen (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd say yes, and no. Is there a genre which covers the whole ninja concept? Naruto, to me, leans more towards the styles of Ninja Scroll and Basilisk. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Ninja Scroll is a chanbara. I haven't read Basilisk but I have a feeling it is a chanbara, as well. Naruto is not. While I don't know of any "ninja genre", I can tell you that ninjutsu is, for all intents and purposes, a martial art.--Nohansen (talk) 21:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

There are early references to chanbara in Naruto but perhaps too minour to apply here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Arc names

Where on earth are these arc names coming from? I can't find them in any official media, and they seem to be a remnant of the WP:OR floating around from the pre-merge times. I noticed this when I was about to fix up List of Naruto episodes (seasons 5-6) for a run at FL status. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the fansubs? Never did wonder that myself. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

As the title "arc" suggests, they are story arcs. A useful label that comes from watching the show. Hmm. —davidh.oz.au 04:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding main image change

I noticed that someone chnaged the original main image [[1]] was replaced with a picture of the first Tankōbon [[2]]. This appears to have been changed without discussion and I think that a consensus for the change should have ocuured first before anyting happened. personally think the previous picture of the main characters is better than what we have now. Finally, if a decision is made to use the old pitcure it should be added as quicky as possible since it is currently tagged for deletion due to not being used in any articles. Finally, the page is protected so someone else will need to make the change. --76.69.166.248 (talk) 23:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I was the one who change it and it is not necessary to make a consensus for this. I thought it would be better since there is already a picture with Team 7 main characters in the article and that the manga is the primary work of the series but this can be discussed and replace the image with a better point than "I like it". Cheers.--Tintor2 (talk) 23:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Cody Porter dies while foolishly copying Kimimaro Kaguya

Okay, we need to add this SERIOUSLY! I mean we added the crap about a freakin' death note, so I believe we definitely should add this! Especially since a little ten year old baka died!Battoubro (talk) 03:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

News report? — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

This has already been discussed before, here. Check that discussion for the news reports and why we decided not to include it. Also, he was imitating Gaara, not Kimmimaro, warranting the nickname of S& (Sand) Hero from /b/. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 03:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

No He was copying Kimimaro! Don't believe every little detail from a reporter who calls it Nerutu Sand Ninjas... Gaara was using armor! he wasn't actually buried! Sorry if I sound aggressive, but I know my Naruto!Battoubro (talk) 04:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Nah, it was Gaara. Teh internets have decided that he was imitating Gaara, dubbing him the Sand Hero, and I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the internets. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 04:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

If he were copying Kimimaro, he'd be trying to remove his femur for use in a rousing game of hoop and stick. Now that would be worth watching. ~SnapperTo 05:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know whether to find that hilarious or disturbing, perhaps both. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry! I was blocked for a while, and couldn't reply. If you want proof that he was copying Kimimaro, please check out http://www.leafninja.com, and look into ninjutsu. Then you should find Gokusamaisou (Desert Prison Burial). Click on it. That should be enough proof right there.<font color="red">Battoubro</font> (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah! If he tried to do that he's insane.

hdtv or "upscaled 16:9"

Is Naruto simply "upscaled" as Bleach? I'd love to see that filter, keeping the outlines THAT sharp. --87.168.53.209 (talk) 15:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

More Reception and Media

Naruto 29 debuted at the top of the Book Scan list, and 28 returned with its released: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-05-07/usa-today-booklist-april-28-may-4

As all of the relevant parts from List of Naruto media has been properly merged to this article in sourced prose, I've removed the link and redirected the old page. Collectonian (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

There used to be a list, on the media page, of all the songs used in the opening/ending sequences; where has the list been moved to? --WhaT2k (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Episode theme music is covered in the individual episode season lists. Collectonian (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Disagree with "partial rv" by Collectonian

WP:CONTEXT#What generally should not be linked says to avoid redundant links, such as common terms (like "ninja") or the same link multiple times. Category:Japanese television series is a parent cat. And changed the image size since it was too blurry. Please tell me, what is wrong with the inclusion of Category:Shapeshifting in fiction? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually my partial revert had to do more with the other dewikifications, which shouldn't have been done (like the numerous dewikifying in the references, which does not fall under the same link multiple times clause). I tried to put back the ones I agreed with, though I missed the category and ninja. You did so many, a partial revert was the only easy way to undo. I wish you had waited for an answer or just redone those items rather than reverting, since I also rewrote some very badly written stuff in my revert. As such, I've done another partial revert, keeping those items you've noted. Collectonian (talk) 17:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Collectonian, why are you overlinking the following: Viz Media, Weekly Shonen Jump, manga, Japan, Shueisha, tankōbon, Anime News Network, and others? I'd like to do what Sano's page is doing: one link in the article context, and one in "References". Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Because it is not overlinking in references. Not a single FA/FL has brought up any problems with "overlinking" in the references. It should be linked each time in the reference. Within the article, the first mention in the lead, and the first mention in its section is an appropriate amount of linking as well. Collectonian (talk) 18:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I would like to see some FA/FL samples, as I still don't agree with you, and the guideline supports me. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Well let's see...all of mine: List of Trinity Blood episodes, List of Meerkat Manor episodes, List of Meerkat Manor meerkats, Meerkat Manor. Or look at the news section of the A?M project, and look at pretty much all of the FLs there from other folks, such as List of Gunslinger Girl episodes, List of Myself ; Yourself episodes, etc. Can also look at our recent GAs, which all use the same. The features and GAs support this, not the guideline. The guideline is dealing with prose, not references. Just as references use ISO dates rather than whatever date format is used in the text, it also uses wikification of publisher/work on all uses not just one. Collectonian (talk) 23:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you hinting that overlinking in references is fine? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm plainly saying that overlinking doesn't apply to references. Collectonian (talk) 01:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I would like to "partially rv" your revision then, keeping the current mulitple sections and many links in references. Understandable? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Not really...I'd also rather you not do an undo. As I mentioned before, my revert included some needed text rewriting as well. Collectonian (talk) 01:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I won't use undo. Just want to do here like what I just did to Kenshin's article. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

That should be fine. Why use reflist 3 in Kenshin's article? Not a fan of the 3 column myself, and rarely see it used, so curious. Collectonian (talk) 02:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Truth be told, I've been seeing it around more often than I used to for numbers higher than 30. Kinda got into the habit. Think it's wrong? Can't find particular examples ATM. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

No idea on the right/wrong. Not one I particularly like myself, and I never use it myself. I haven't seen it in many FAs/FLs, though may just be because most are used to 2. Collectonian (talk) 02:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Ongoing?

I thought the original Naruto series was over. Does it still say ongoing because of the episodes being shown in the US? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.81.246.105 (talk) 20:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

It refers to the manga.--Tintor2 (talk) 21:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)