Talk:ASEAN

Quotation

I noticed that there are a lot of quotation here. If it is possible, state the source. Else, the quote should be removed. __earth 10:25, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

GDP

• 2003, PPP 2172.395, currency 680.553. Number of capita for 2003 was 537.11 million. - Jerryseinfeld 18:49, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Name of continent

ASEAN members are considering to rename Asia to Asea! - 68.72.125.15 16:42, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Improvement Drive

The article on Brunei is currently listed to be improved on Wikipedia: This week's improvement drive. You can support the nomination with your vote there. --Fenice 06:36, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Timor-Leste

I've seen no evidence that Timor-Leste is an observer. Source? If none is given, I'll remove the alleged fact. ナイトスタリオン ✉ 13:57, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

East Timor is not an observer. It however has been seeking it though Myanmar objects due to the small nation support of Aung San. The Jakarta Post has some more about it. __earth 11:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I heard, too. I've removed the incorrect fact. ナイトスタリオン ✉ 12:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I think Timor-Leste should be included as a future member. - Isao

That is irrelevant.

On a separate note, Timor-Leste is currently a candidate for membership. According to this, it will take approximately 5 years to full membership. I have added it in accordingly. Nonetheless, if you want this point to be more prominently featured on the article, do go ahead. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 06:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Corruption

The word has been deleted since it has no relevance.

Redirect?

Perhaps this article should be listed as ASEAN by default rather than the more wordy current version, in line with other organisations such as NATO. Jsteph 04:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Nomination

I have nominated this article for GA on WP:GAC, and will be due for a review. You can check up on it, if you wish. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 12:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

GA on Hold

Wow, more than a month before a review, we really need more help with the backlog. I am going to put the article on hold for now until several items are fixed according to the GA criteria.

Fix these suggestions:

1. 1. In the lead, remove the comma after Singapore.
   2. "The countries meet annually." Expand on this statement, such as they meet annually to discuss "x".
   3. "the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand." add comma after Singapore; "The mainland states of Vietnam, Laos and Myanmar were later admitted." add comma after Laos.
   4. "Vietnam joined ASEAN on July 28, 1995. Laos and Myanmar were admitted into ASEAN on July 23, 1997." Merge these into one sentence and add inline citation.
   5. "In July 23, 2006, Jose Ramos Horta, Prime Minister of Timor-Leste, signed a formal request for membership and expects a five-year accession process." Fix "expects", either use another term or make it parallel with the rest of the information in the sentence.
   6. Make sure all of the information in the infobox is current.
   7. "The organization holds annual meetings in relation to economic, and cultural development of Southeast Asian countries." remove the comma after economic
   8. The article could also use some more expansion, there are only a few sections of prose and then several charts. I'd recommend a section about the successes/failures of the decisions made in the summits, any other countries that are expressing interest in joining, opposition/support by citizens/other countries, etc. Add at least one of these or another one you can think of to help assist in the broad requirement in the GA criteria.

Add inline citations:

1. 1. The British protectorate of Brunei joined ASEAN six days after the country became independent from the United Kingdom on January 8, 1984.
   2. In 2003, the organization had a combined GDP of about USD$700 billion, growing at an average rate of around 4% per annum.
   3. The ASEAN countries include more Muslims than any other geopolitical entity.
   4. About 240 million Muslims live mostly in Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei. Buddhism constitutes the main religion of mainland Southeast Asia and there are about 170 million Buddhists in Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and Singapore. Roman Catholicism is predominant in the Philippines.
   5. ASEAN regularly conducts dialogue meetings with other countries and the European Union, collectively known as the ASEAN dialogue partners during the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF).
   6. In 1992, leaders decided to hold meetings every three years; and in 2001 it was decided to meet annually to address urgent issues affecting the region.

The article looks pretty good so far but the above suggestions should be fixed before I'll pass it. You have seven days to do so, and if they are not fixed I'll have to fail it. Let me know when you finish these or if you have any questions on my talk page. --Nehrams2020 09:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your comments and notes. I will begin the process of fixing now. =) Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 12:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I did the first round of edits. I hope people will come forward to contribute more. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 16:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Move it back to Association of Southeast Asian Nations

Being "wordy" isn't a reason for moving this, unless the org has officially renamed itself into "ASEAN," with "ASEAN" not meaning anything. --Howard the Duck 09:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree it should be returned to its full title.--cj | talk 10:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Move has been executed (for the lack of a better word). Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 06:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

ASRF

I was redirected to ASEAN from ASEAN Regional Forum ? The Current (8 March 2007) version of World Fact Book has the USA as a member of ASRF which I guess is the ASEAN Regional Forum featured here in wikipedia as a non article with a redirect attached. Just from what I read here it looks like there ought to be an actual article not a redirect, as just looking at the US history in that neighborhood....there is stuff to say, and maybe at least a bit of history? this post was contibuted by User:John5Russell3Finley

GA passed

I have passed the article according to the GA criteria. Everything is well-sourced and is broad in coverage. If possible, continue to expand as new information appears, making sure to always source it. Just a quick note, for the statement "Consequently, the fourth meeting was held in Singapore in 1992 where the leaders again agreed to meet more frequently every three years." change the last part of it to "meet more frequently, deciding to get together every three years" or something like it. Otherwise it sounds like every three years they meet, they're going to decide to meet even more frequently and so on. That would soon be quite a bit of meetings! Anyway, good job, and if you have the time, consider helping with the GAC backlog and reviewing an article or two. Keep up the good work on improving the articles within Wikipedia! --Nehrams2020 21:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Great work folks! __earth ^(Talk) 13:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your time, Nehrams2020! We appreciate your review and would like to send you our thanks. To everyone who has worked on the article, give yourselves a hand! And back to work... Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 16:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your work!--23prootie 01:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Deleting A Paragraph from CRITICISM

I am deleting a whole paragraph from the CRITICISM section:

"During the 12th ASEAN Summit in Cebu, several militant groups staged anti-globalization and anti-Arroyo rallies.[42] Accoding to the militants, the agenda of economic integration would negatively affect industries in the Philippines and would cause thousands of Filipinos to lose their jobs.[43] They also viewed the organization as "imperialistic" that threatens the country's sovereignty.[43] A human rights lawyer from New Zealand was also present to protest about the human rights situation in the region in general."

The reason for the removal is because it singles out one nation out of the 9 member organization. Also, not only does it single out one nation it deliberately condone President Arroyo does making a political statement and it criticizes her administration for Human Right's violation; thus, making the whole paragraph aggressively political and very opinionated namely against Arroyo.

If the original author wants to criticize then he or she better lay out every member's dirty laundries not just single out one country. Or the author can write a more extensive essay about the failings and criticism against the ASEAN organization, as a whole not just one: from trade talks, political maneuverings, to the other matters.

JonSnow

It speaks about the last summit, so it seems pertient, even if it is not flattering of Arroyo. El_C 19:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I concur. Furthermore, we take steps to achieving a good article rating, not leaps. Plus, when we write content in Wikipedia, we don't bother about political implications or "fair exposure" - we just write what we find and is reliable.

On the other hand, you could help out by helping to write out that essay? Wikipedia is free to edit for a reason, after all. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 09:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above points. It is also exemplary of ASEAN criticisms overall. Perhaps a qualifying statement such as, "An example of the opposition to ASEAN occured at the 12th ASEAN Summit in Cebu..." etc. That's far more fair and nuanced than sledgehammering an entire paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.233.30.208 (talk) 17:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Australia in Asean

Dear User:ZwickauDeluxe, concerning your edit that removes the sentences on Australia applying for membership, the Bloomberg article states that Australia plans to apply for permanent membership of ASEAN. It is not right to remove a footnoted sentence off the article, especially so when the source is reputable. __earth ^(Talk) 04:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Read the Bloomberg article for yourself. It is speculative and does not contain any official confirmation that Australia is seeking to join ASEAN. Australian officials are more interested in an Australia-New Zealand free trade agreement with ASEAN, as opposed to actually joining the bloc. From an Australian perspective, the thought of Australia becoming an ASEAN member is really quite preposterous. ZwickauDeluxe 16:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

"As a display of solidarity against communist expansion in Vietnam and insurgency within their own borders" This is not a fact, nor is it supported by any concrete citation. I have read through some major documents of ASEAN, and have not found anything like this. Should we reconsider it?Hawkie 13:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I posted my point and no one's gonna reply. So I decided to delete the phrase by myself. If anyone can give satisfactory proofs or citations, feel free to restore the phrase, but don't forget to stick some support along with it.Hawkie 20:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Maps

I love the many maps showing who is part of ASEAN+3 and so forth, but I really think the first map is not very helpful in clearly seeing who the member states of ASEAN are. Instead of a global map, couldn't someone use a map of Southeast Asia/all of Asia, which would make it much easier to see the member states (especially ones like Singapore)?? Nicolasdz 09:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Further reading for more content

I've done a bit of browsing, and I found a few publications in which material on ASEAN can be found and be very, very useful:

• The ASEAN Reader by Kernial Singh Sandhu
• The 2nd ASEAN Reader by Sharon Siddique, Sree Kumar
• The Politics of ASEAN, An Introduction to Southeast Asian Regionalism by Solidum, Estrella D.

These contain quite a bit of content and perspectives on ASEAN and also a lot on its history - something we direly need to add into the article. Unfortunately, due to exams being much less than a month away, I have no time myself to obtain these books. Anyone eager for the challenge? Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 11:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I was skimming through them some time ago, and I would like to rephrase that. It's not just quite a bit of content, it's really rich with information that this article needs to escalate to A-class status. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 11:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

India Missing from Maps

The entire country of India is missing (appears as white) on two of the maps.

This really needs to be rectified. --72.208.130.58 (talk) 00:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

There are 4 instances of global maps being used (2 of which are the same) but all of them have deleted India. This is very odd. Did nobody notice a huge white gap when they uploaded the picture?

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