Talk:Red Hulk

merge.

This article is very light on actual real world content. Editors seem intent on including speculation about the character's identity, and on writing an overly long plot summary which substitues for issues missed by readers. Instead, this article should be considered for returnign to a redirect to the main Hulk article. ThuranX (talk) 04:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The reason the Red Hulk was taken out of Hulk (comics) is because people were placing unwarranted speculation in that article (see this edit where i removed said speculation from Hulk's article)... this article is only a holding place anyway as in two/three months this hulk's real identity will be revealed and this article will be merged.. this was previously a redirect page that got changed every time somebody suspected some one else was this hulk.. i suggest we leave this information here to save people cluttering Hulks article and wait until his true identity is revealed.. plus Red Hulk isnt Bruce Banner or The Hulk so to redirect there would be wrong and confusing to occasional readers. --- Paulley (talk) 08:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand you concern for speculation regarding the character and that is something as editors here we have to keep and eye on and remove. --- Paulley (talk) 08:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

First, the page was not repeatedly moved and edited. It was a stable redirect for a long time before you edited it into a highly speculative article; most of what I keep cutting out of here's being added by you. The reality is that this entire article could be distilled down to one paragraph in the other article, and in fact, that was how it was being handled. Remember that emphasis should still be on real world content, not in-universe plotlines. ThuranX (talk) 11:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The redirect was pointed to Rick Jones for over a month with no justification what so ever until it was pointed to hulk after issue two where Jones was revealed to be A-Bomb. After i created a quick stub article by removing much of the speculation for multiple paragraphs in the hulk article, you came and removed what you considered to be OR and publisher promoted information, which after looking at the edits i agreed with (i did not run back here and revert you or anything did i?)... afterward User_talk:67.180.225.161 added more speculation which you reverted and i agree with your decision to do so. There are several referenced real world elements regarding characterization and publication history, and yes i agree the powers and ability section need to be changed from its in-universe style while the fictional biography (well the title states its fictional but i could be changed also) is considerably condensed. When i came to Hulk article i was greeted with this [1] if i thought it was being well handled i would not have bothered to write this stub. --- Paulley (talk) 13:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

To be clear, I do note that you are working co-operatively, and I'm not picking on you personally in that regard. As for the Hulk diff you link to, I respond with this. I have been trying to give material a little time to coalesce on the Hulk page before reverting stuff out, lest I be too readily accused of WP:OWN violations. I pulled out the spec when it became clear that no improvements were readily forthcoming. A bit of patience being worth it. I'm willing to give this a little time, but if this storyline resolves soon, I really think this should redirect to the appropriate section of the main article. ThuranX (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

As soon as it the storyline is resolved this paged will be merged with the result, of that we can be assured no matter what the outcome. I never thought any differently on the subject. I just thought it would be easier to managed and source information regarding Red Hulk in a place that steers it clear of Bruce Banner and his Hulk. When the character is revealed the information here should be a lot easier to transfer over into that characters relevant sections. --- Paulley (talk) 20:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Jabberwock

Does anyone see a similarity between the Red Hulk and Jabberwock from Project Arms? Both are reddish, both are calculating and tactical, both emit flames when they get angry, both have a tendency to get angry, both have the same colored hair to an extent.Metalraptor (talk) 16:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Red Hulk doesn't emit flames, he emits Gamma Radiation. And the other things are common in comics. Red is a popular color. And black hair is everywhere. Even on the floor. Rau's Speak Page 17:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Identity

The source provided for his identity even states that it might not be true. Unconfirmed information has no place on wikipedia. Rau's Speak Page 13:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

We're talking about facts here, not reader perception, and specifically not your personal beliefs. The fact is that JQ said it in an interview. The fact is no one but a select few people know the truth of this statement. It does not matter if anyone on this planet thinks or assumes it's a joke. You making edits based on your personal beliefs is the definition of 'unconfirmed information'.

Furthermore, the source obviously questions the validity to maintain balance by both pointing out your logic (a joke or not) and providing the facts. You state concerns that the source and the information is misleading. I counter that having the cited source included maintains a sense of levity to the questionable nature of the quote from JQ.

I think we all know that Ares isnt going to be Red Hulk (if it is my face will be very blue after this post).. However, the source provided isnt sourcing Red Hulk's identity, its sourcing that "JQ said... Ares"... and that is true the source provides confirmation that in an interview JQ said something about Red Hulk and Ares. --- Paulley (talk) 13:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

But it doesn't say for certain that he is Ares. I think that it is misleading to even suggest that he said that. People might get the wrong idea. I know the wording doesn't say that it is confirmed, but it is still misleading. Rau's Speak Page 13:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess maybe I am misunderstanding the point of Wikipedia, but I was under the impression it was about providing information. This information is valid, regardless of whether the storyline proves it to be true or not, JQ did actually say this, and it should be included as information on this article.

Well if people actually read it and look at the source then it shouldnt be.. though i can understand that a casual reader who did not read it fully could get the wrong idea but, to be blunt, that's not are problem. It clearly says that he "suggested it was Ares" and the source clearly states that this could be a miss truth. --- Paulley (talk) 13:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is about providing verifiable information. It's one of the core policies. WP:V. Is a miss truth the same thing as unconfirmed? Because if it is, then that means it is unverified. If it means something else, please elaborate. Rau's Speak Page 14:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Well like i said the source confirms and verifies that JQ said something... until we can prove he lied that's all that sentence says. --- Paulley (talk) 14:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

But saying he said something that is unverified is trivial. Rau's Speak Page 14:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

True. I agree with you there -- Paulley (talk) 15:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The bottom line is that for all intents or purposes, with no evidence to the contrary; Joe Quesada revealed the Red Hulk's identity in that interview as Ares. The source material questions the seriousness of the statement, but does not alter the context or modify the tone of the original quote. Regardless of any comic fans' feelings, this may very well be the case and is relevant to this article until knowledge to the contrary comes to light.