Talk:Hoobastank

Opening paragraph

Let's put them in scope of the rest of the music business. They had one top 40 crossover hit with "The Reason" and it's the only song that bears mentioning, admist mention of their continued success with the modern rock market. But don't list those lukewarm songs that only went top 40 US modern rock!

What I did:

Hoobastank (also colloquially referred to as "Hooba" or "The Stank") is a rock band best known for their crossover hit "The Reason" (2004) and by their continued succces in the modern rock market.

Criticism

I removed the criticism section as it contained almost no verifiable information and was not neutral. Terms like 'many people say' or 'many think' are indicative of inappropriate information for an encyclopedia article. It leads to biased phrases such as 'Many people say Hoobastank is a better band and far more popular than the Beatles' or 'Some say Hoobastank is actually a group of ill-tempered dingos disguised as musicians'. Unless there is a source for such statements that can be quoted and the information is relevant to the band's overall history, it should be left out.

Also, Sontra is absolutely right about the term 'pre-career'. You cannot have a pre-career after the band has been formed and begun performing. This was changed to early career.

Pre-Career

The term "Pre-Career" isn't accurate here. The entire second paragraph speaks of their career. "Pre-Fame" perhaps.

Sontra

Born to Lead

Was Born to Lead not the second single after If I Were You? Inside of You was released about a month later, and still doesn't have a video. I think the Inside of You single should be replaced with Born to Lead. its a better song anyway.

Discography

How sure are we about the Muffins demo tape in 1997 and the Target live EP of 2002. Allmusic.com does not list either record on their discography [1].

Seaeagle04

Although I do agree that releases should be verified, don't always take Allmusic's word as gospel, they do make mistakes from time to time- for one, they also don't list They Sure Don't Make Basketball Shorts Like They Used on their discography despite the fact we're all quite sure it exists.Mouseclicker

The Target EP definitely exists, I have it in my shelf. It might have been promo only since on the back it advertises their self titled album, but it is an actual album, so there's a yes on that. The Muffins demo tape - you never really know, but if it really is a demo tape, I don't think it should be listed as an album, I think an album is something that at least used to be available for purchase to everyone at some point

Hoobustank

Should it be mentioned that the original spelling of the band's name was Hoobustank, with a u, rather than Hoobastank, with an a? Also, I think it's noteworthy that there was a major shift in sound between the heavily funk inspired (with a dash of ska) They Sure Don't Make Basketball Shorts Like They Used To and the largely post-grunge self-titled album.

It could, but it is not the biggest deal. Shake 3000 (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

fan fallout

I think it should be menitoned that a lot of their (hoobustank) fans were lost after the release of the self titled Hoobastank album. As many felt they sold out themselves and the sax player for commercial sucess.

i think you're on crack

No, this is a valid assessment. While it is never possible to prove an act is a "sell-out" (unless the band specifically mentions it, like Kiss), one can attempt to correlate the timing of the change in sound with the acquisition of a recording deal while controlling for other variables.

Definitely. Also coming out with a self-titled album as your third album instead of your debut is pretty lame as well.

the REAL meaning of hoobastank

With my friends, the word "hoobastank" means slut or ho.  :)

Speaking of the "real" meaning, after a free show in the late 1990s, I personally asked the sax player what the name meant and he told me that it was the way a phrase developed between the members in reference to flatulence. Originally, he said, it was "whose butt stank?" in reference to the person who farted, but when said quickly, it started to sound like "hoobustank." Does anyone think I should mention this? I can't corroborate the details since it was a personal conversation and there is no way to verify it as fact. I suppose it could be cited as a rumor or something similar...thoughts?

I would say no, as like you say, this is rumor and can't be cited or verified. Marc Hudson 08:35, 7 November 2006 (CST)

I think it's worth mentioning —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.155.190.157 (talk) 19:47, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, this is funny information. Shake 3000 (talk) 19:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Clarification from Hesse

I interviewed Hesse last week and he added some clarification about the creation of the band, which I've added with a reference. Also, I changed the Yahoo Launchcast links to be Footnotes and added a Footnotes section as it seems more appropriate and in-line with Wikipedia tradition.

Marc Hudson 08:34, 7 November 2006 (CST)

Upcoming Album

I heard somewhere that they were working on a new album due out by the end of the year or perhaps early next year. Their website and the article don't say anything about it. I would like to know if they are or not. Sherlock32 22:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they are working on a new album but there are no confirmed title or release date. Rashempashem 11:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

It says a release date within a couple weeks, wouldn't they need time to make them? Shake 3000 (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Some Changes

I replaced the picture with a more updated one and add a reference to the only statement that didn't have one in the article, now it's no longer lacking sources. I also mentioned the statement Dougg made for MTV News and added a bunch of other stuff. Rashempashem 13:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)