Talk:Pop rap (genre)

Pop + Rap? Someone should have done the sensible thing and called it 'Pap'

Is there such a thing as pop rap. Personally I hate the idea. Please can we delete the page and hope the idea goes away too :)

Even if only 20% of people know what it means, we should keep it. ··gracefool |☺ 04:04, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

We should certainly keep it. Appalling though much of it was, it was and still is a very important musical movement. Without pop rap, a lot of modern hip-hop just would not have existed. BigHaz 07:43, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

This article should be deleted.

This was written by someone who just wanted to trash some mainstream artists, or at least that's the impression I get. The majority of the people mentioned aren't Pop Rap (if that's even a legitimate genre, I don't know if it actually exists.) In addition to the fact that this page was made for the sake of bashing certain artists and praising others, it's also horribly written. This needs to be deleted, it serves no purpose whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.199.208 (talk) 16:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not at all be deleted, just because someone is a pop rapper doesn't necessarily mean they are bad at all. Kanye West is a pop rapper no matter if you like it or not LL Cool J was probably the first pop rapper to come around. Pop Rap is a real sub-genre it is in fact a style of hip-hop in which has pop influence by having more dance friendly beats with lesws brashful lyrics while having commercial appeal by being catchy or discussing subjects that most pop artist discuss.76.101.122.31 (talk)

factual accuracy.

We're in trouble from the first sentence: "rap-style lyrics sung melodically"???

This article should be rewritten. I will do it myself if I get a chance. To be included:

"Pop rap" is simply hip hop (rap) music with a very strong pop music influence. The more typically rough elements of hip hop music are smoothed away in order to achieve a crossover-friendly sound.
Kurtis Blow as "pioneer' (as it were)
DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince
MC Hammer as first major crossover success
Vanilla Ice
Kris Kross, Bow Wow, and other kid acts
Puff Daddy, Biggie, Mase, and Bad Boy
Will Smith (2.0)
Jermaine Dupri
Aaron Carter
Nelly
Brief mentions of Snoop DOgg, Jay-Z, Cash Money & No Limit, 50 Cent, and a few others, who are more properly mentioned elsewhere. --FuriousFreddy 19:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Continuous from 1960's?

Would the 1960's be a little early? I can see some pre-rap coming from the late 1960's, but wouldn't "pop rap," if it existed, be a reacation to rap, and occur after "Rapper's Delight?"

Also, wouldn't "Rapture" from Blondie be included in such a list, since they were a non-hip-hop group rapping??

Disputing notability of "pop rap"

Is it just me or has anyone else never heard of pop rap? I can't find any notable music-related articles that reference a genre called "pop rap".

The only web sites that mention it as a specific genre have completely different lists of artists, and all of those artists are more commonly categorised under another genre such as old school rap or gangsta rap.

Google search "pop rap" -wikipedia

The only notable article in the first few pages of results is from mp3.com (article). All the artists they list after the article are old school hip hop artists who have never been commonly referred to as "pop rap".

Last.fm

The "pop rap" and "pop-rap" tags have been used by less than 75 users combined on Last.fm. Most bands (never mind entire genres) that have 75 fans on Last.fm are not notable enough to have a Wikipedia article.

Defunct genre?

The only possible notability I can think of is that this genre was more commonly known during the time of the artists we now refer to as "old school". Any old school gurus heard the term used before?

"Pop rap" is redundant, redirect to hip hop music

To me, the term pop rap sounds like it would be used to define the exact same thing as "mainstream rap", which is a general term for hip hop music (and it redirects to hip hop music). This is the inverse of pop punk, which is a notable subgenre because it is more poppy than ordinary punk music. What the general public sees as ordinary or mainstream rap is poppy, so adding "pop" to rap is redundant.

Post your thoughts below. Entertheinferno 06:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

mainstream hip hop, alternative hip hop, indie hip hop are all umbrella terms for hip hop music, mainstream rap should get it's own article, or possibly merged with pop rap; since mainstream music is typically more radially friendly - pop-ish, and more dumbed down than it's counterparts, e.g. mainstream rock, alternative rock, and indie rock, can be considered genres of their own. 75.15.234.32 03:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable pop rappers?

Seems to me like someone has just made it to put the rappers he hate in there. I don't even remember 50 Cent being a "pop rapper".

93% of the list, if not 100%, aren't pop rappers. The list should be removed.

Who agrees? Sabertooth 15:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i agree! Jay-z is in no way a pop rapper. neither is fat joe.

I think that the list of Jay-Z, Nas, and Aaron Carter is funny. Needs editing, in my opinion. - nagyovafan

Someone should add Gym Class Heroes. I've read that they were inspired by the emo scene.

Z71Tahoe 04:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the artists on this list may have experimented with the genre, but are not noted for it (ex. Gwen Stefani and Mariah Carey). These artists should be removed. 130.39.99.250 17:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lulz you don't think 50 shit is hip-pop. He sings about lolipops. I don't care how metaphorical that is, singing about love, then grouping it/in next song rapping about bitches. Hip-pop indeed. And what you see on MTV, every rapper on there belongs in this article. And all these woman, Ciara and others, belong in a very low tier of R&B, they just usually have a hip pop guest for business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.172.55.237 (talk) 09:41, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Yeah 50 doesn't seem like a pop rapper neither does Busta Rhymes in fact they're pretty far away from it so I deleted their entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.61.185.185 (talk) 05:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Grouping Will Smith with these things.

Blasphemous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrushBurn (talk • contribs) 03:31, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

The article in general is sort of a magnet for people to add hip-hop music that they don't like, or feel has "sold out" the scene. Should probably be merged into a more general discussion about the direction of mainstream hip-hop, as per some of the above comments. --Delirium 13:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Need to edit The List

The list should contain Lil Wayne as a breif pop rapper or is becoming a pop rapper, same thing with Jay-Z. But to add Lil Wayne on the list as a full pop rapper is crazy, whether you like him or not Lil Wayne is not a pop rapper, not even Young Jeezy is a pop rapper and we should add Tyga to the list.76.101.122.31 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]