Talk:East Williamsburg, Brooklyn

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I'd feel comfortable setting the boundaries of East Williamsburg as anything north of broadway, west of Graham, and East/Southeast of the highway as East Williamsburg. Bushick is anything east of graham [1], and to walk around the nieghborhood you'd agree. besides, everyone renting a loft (band people and artist) would rather say they live in Bushwick than williamsburg now anyway, because crappy williamsburg is now filled with investment bankers.

I plan to make some changes in the coming days.

I don't have time to go over your edits now, but I oppose. The East Williamsburg Industrial Park has been named on Johnson Av., Morgan Av. and Grand St. for as far back as the early-1990s as I can remember, and I can imagine earlier than that. I saw one source that said the "East Williamsburg" term went into Queens at one point, but is now obsolete. Also, if you look at the NYC community board listings, all of East Williamsburg is in CB1, Buswick is in CB4, so EW resources are really shared among Williamsburg and Greenpoint, not Bushwick.

Furthermore, we need to have multiple opinions other than yours or mine. (And don't use sockpuppets, please.) I created the article because I saw the area as a transition between Williamsburg (North Side and South Side) and Bushwick, but not exactly within W or B proper. The realtors term is well noted. (See the first edit to this article, when it was created.)

P.S. please sign your posts at the end with four tildes, as ~~~~ , and it will automatically be formatted. Tinlinkin 18:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd feel comfortable setting the boundaries of East Williamsburg as anything north of broadway, west of Graham, and East/Southeast of the highway as East Williamsburg. Bushick is anything east of graham [2], and to walk around the nieghborhood you'd agree.

I live a couple blocks east of Graham Ave., on Metropolitan, but I still have the Williamsburg zip code (11211). Moreover it just seems to me a lot more like Williamsburg here than Bushwick. The vintage clothing stores, cafés, restaurants, the pirate supply shop...these don't seem too characteristic of Bushwick. Maybe this is a signal of L-ification.

Graham Ave's other secondary name north of Grand St. is Via Vespucci. Shouldn't that be included too, or is this talking only about the south end of Graham?

East Williamsburg is the big time Italian section of Williamsburg, and that begins around Lorimer through Graham. Old school residents talk about places like Conselyea and Manhattan being "East Williamsburg", so who knows. Vintage stores moving in doesn't suddenly turn a place into "Williamsburg" - if they moved into Maspeth, would that suddenly change to Williamsburg because it "felt" like it?

Evolution of the 18th, 27th, and 28th wards.

Link to a page overviewing how "East Williamsburg" was historically Bushwick and came to be in the east williamsburg ward. [3]

New York Times reference

People keep linking to a New York Times article about grocery baggers claiming that it shows "Bushwick starts at the Food Bazaar between the Lorimer St and Flushing Av J-Train stations, east of Leonard Street and south of Boerum Street." The article says that the Food Bazaar at 21 Manhattan is in Williamsburg, and makes no claim about where "Bushwick starts". What am I missing here? I don't want to get into a revert war, but I'd really like someone to explain this to me. Digamma 04:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bushwick's northern border is Flushing Ave. The industrial park is East Williamsburg. If you do any real research of the neighborhood you'd find this out, I'd contact Make The Road By Walking ([www.maketheroad.org]) and they have done alot of research into this, along with being a prominent community group in Bushwick proper. --Vsthesquares 17:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bank Photo

I'm skeptical of the placement of the Bushwick Savings Bank photo next to the area that is trying to define what the area should be called. After all, I can go take a photo of the Astoria Federal Savings Bank in Borough Park, Brooklyn and it doesn't mean you should call the area "Astoria." Anyway I don't know why people get so excited about boundaries. I realize that labels drive up rents, hence the apartment listings on Gates and Malcolm X Blvd. that are "in the heart of Williamsburg." However, the subway maps say East Williamsburg, the signs formerly said "East Williamsburg Industrial Park," but what would those elements have to gain from glitzing up their images? I doubt the Mayor's office said "Ooh let's associate this manufacturing zone with hip Williamsburg so we can attract manufacturers who are looking for reasonably priced buildings!" Please.