Talk:Notzrim

Hm. Well this friendly Gentile wonders whether ythese guys mean Netzerim? And hearing that some sect existed is less engaging for me as hearing how we know they existed, where they existed, what they thought if we know, or whether we don't know and what kind of writing survive. The rest is rather fancy gossip. Wetman 03:12, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Notzrim is simply Hebrew for "Christians." Danny 03:15, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Note that Wetman's referral to Netzerim refers to the spelling used in Nazarene (sect) Dchmelik (talk) 09:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Netzrim" means "branches" and usually isn't used in Hebrew to refer to people. "Notzrim" is a Hebrew word and refers to any believer in Jesus in Hebrew, Jewish or Gentile. Joe 7:16, 8 Mar 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.43.156 (talk)

This is a complex subject with many twists and turns. It very well could be merged with the Nazarene article, since that article takes up aspects of the subject which include this one. However, it would probably take a top-notch scholar, whose specialty would include the Mandaens of Iraq, to do a good job of it. The pre-Christian sect split into at least three groups with the coming of John the Baptist and Jesus; and further splits and mergers could lead to further confusion unless dealt with masterfully. Firecircle (talk) 04:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, why not simplify things by keeping the pre-Christian and post-Christian group separate, and then providing a link between them? I am attempting to clarify the above article (Notzrim) by doing minor editing, adding authentic material, and providing external links and references. This may take awhile to get it right--help from others knowledgeable about the subject will certainly be appreciated. Firecircle (talk) 04:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't appear that anyone is monitoring this article (since Feb. 2007), so after attempting to clarify it and supplying ample citations, I took it upon myself to remove the warnings. Forgive me, if I'm out of line. Firecircle (talk) 05:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article (and a few others) should be merged with Mandaeans.82.6.29.26 (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Merger with Mandaeism

These groups don't seem that closely related, and both have enough references and information to support separate articles.--Editor2020 (talk) 01:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the I started the next section.--Dchmelik (talk) 01:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Mandeans seem to be related to the Cainites as contrasting gnostic sect, and one should relate John the Baptist with Simon Magnus, because there is no documentation ever relating the earliest gnostic sects with John the Baptist. There is too much speculation from the footnoted source.

Earlier proposed merger with Nazarene (sect)

On the contrary (to whoever deleted my proposal,) there were many spellings for the same words before modern times, but these names names are even spelled the same way, as I have said. Most/all references are from Epiphanus, who disagreed with this group and arguably wanted to spead misinformation. Other references disagree with Epiphanus, who was saying different things about the same word. Maybe there were groups within this group, such as the Ossaeans, Nazareans, Theraputae, but those (except the middle variant spelling) are what should have separate articles--Dchmelik (talk) 01:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]