Talk:Bleach (manga)

This is a summary of our archived standardization topics for the Bleach (manga) article, originated by tjstrf and with additional compilation from Dekimasu. Although consensus can change, please consider these points when adding information to Bleach-related articles. In titling, we use Bleach (manga), not Bleach (series), Bleach (anime) or BLEACH. We are using the English naming conventions for characters (given name first). Quincy, Bount and Soul Society are capitalized, but we do not capitalize most other terms (hollow, plus, zanpakutō, etc.). It's lieutenant, not vice-captain; the onmitsukidō is to be referred to as "special forces"; demon arts has been superseded by kidō, since all versions of the series use the Japanese term; Soul Reaper is preferred to shinigami. The main characters on the page are listed in the order of their appearance. Correct character spellings include Bount (pl. Bounts), Yammy, Luppi, and Kuroud. We refer to "artificial souls" rather than "modified souls" in order to incorporate all manufactured souls.

Akira Toriyama again

The original story concept was submitted to Weekly Shōnen Jump shortly after the cancellation of Tite Kubo's previous manga Zombie Powder, but was rejected. Akira Toriyama, the mangaka of Dragon Ball, saw the story and wrote a letter of encouragement to Kubo.

I have a strong feeling that the author of LA Times article took this infromation (which was considered a rumour) from TV.com or other unreliable source, instead of asking Kubo Tite directly. -- DEERSTOP (talk). 18:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...unless a reliable source refutes the statements, though, it can be considered reliably sourced and verifiable. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 18:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I know, that LA is the reliable sorce, but common sense protests against adding a rumour to the article. *sigh* -- DEERSTOP (talk). 18:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

That rumor has been going around for years, yes. But now a reliable source has reported it, making it verifiable if not actually true, thus it deserves mention. If it is later corrected by a more authoritative source (i.e. Kubo or Toriyama says "no, that's just a rumor" in a later interview), then we can rephrase it to something along the lines of "A common rumor asserted that blah blah blah and was reported in the LA Times, but was eventually refuted by [whomever]". --erachima talk 19:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

T_T -- DEERSTOP (talk). 20:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I also noticed that link to Bleach videogames is lost. -- DEERSTOP (talk). 20:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean? Did I mess it up during my recent rewrite? --erachima talk 20:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't find the link to "List of Bleach videogames". ^_^ They are not mentioned in the article at all. -- DEERSTOP (talk). 21:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Bleach video games, though I assume you already knew that. The link is also in the infobox and the template at the bottom of the page. If you can think of a good spot to add it in the page text, then feel free to do that as well. --erachima talk 21:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I meant the link inside the text. -- DEERSTOP (talk). 21:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Source help needed

A "new SJ interview" with Kubo has just popped up on the web (thank you 4chan), and would be six types of useful if we could confirm its authenticity. It discusses, among other things, why the series is called "Bleach". Text of the interview can be found here, and it meshes well enough with the other interviews and articles I've been searching out recently that I doubt it's a hoax, but before it can be used, we need to know the actual magazine issue it's from. Any SJ subscribers willing to confirm this one and give a proper citation for it? --erachima talk 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Giving it a quick skim, it looks identical to the actual interview. I have the issue in question right in front of me, so here's your sourcing information: general: Shonen Jump #71 (November 2008 - volume 6, issue 11, ISSN 1545-7818), feature name is "Tite Kubo's Big Comic-Con Adventure!", pp. 18-20, with no author info in sight (as usual with SJ). Specific page numbers for questions (some questions abbreviated for length): p. 18: (Drawing Inspiration) "Did anyone inspire you to draw?", "Are any of the characters based on people you know?", "You seem to use mythical content[...]. Did any books influence you?", "What does Rukia's name mean[...]?", "You mean, the flower?" - p. 19: "Why did you pick Bleach as the title?", (Behind the Scenes) "Will you ever do an Aizen backstory?", "Does Captain Yamamoto have a larger plan for the Soul Society? [...]", "Will we learn who become captains in place of Aizen, Ichimaru, and Tōsen?" - p. 20: "Will Kon ever get his own body?", "He gets more attention in that body.", "Do you have any plans to make Ichigo and Rukia a couple?", "Which American superheroes do you admire?", (Kubo-sensei on Comic-Con) "What was the most impressive Bleach costume you saw?", "We do call it Comic-Kon!", "He seems to think so.", "We also saw one Arrancar with a mirror.", "He had a round mirror over his stomach to look like a hole.", "What will you tell your family and friends about this trip?", "Thank you so much for the interview!". SJ also implied that there would be further interview stuff with Kubo over the next few months.

If you need any individual questions transcribed (e.g. if you don't trust the transcription on the website you pointed out), feel free to ask me. —Dinoguy1000 18:59, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality of Article

Just a minor edit regarding the neutrality of the article. Hollows are not "a race of evil spirits who feed on the souls of humans, both living and dead". Hollows are not "evil" in that they are more animalistic than anything else. They have simply been consumed by thier grief or rage and as such cant move on to the next life. Also no Hollow "feeds" on living souls; however close contact with a recently passed soul can increase the speed it turns to a Hollow.

The rest of the section refers specifically to a subgroup of the Hollows; those who remove their masks and become Arrancar. Most are designed with a Spanish motif but not all. ----kav2001c 22:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You apparently have only watched the anime, not read the manga. In the original version of the story, hollows do indeed feast on the souls of the living, particularly their own relatives. This was lightened in the anime rendition, as with many of the darker and bloodier moments of Bleach's story. (As for why we don't cover this difference in the article, I don't recall any WP:RS reliable sources which attest to the differences. So instead we just describe the manga version, as it's the original medium.) --erachima talk 02:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Individual character articles

This will be a VERY VERY unpopular subject (I hate the idea but it must be brought up)... It appears that since there is now a BLEACH wiki for the manga, there may not be a need for any articles that are/is just about one character. If that's the case then maybe we should start fazing them all out. They should just have sections in the list of characters article (Renji, Byakuya, Hitsugaya, Kenpachi, etc. should just have sections in the "List of Soul Reapers in Bleach" article with links to characters section; vice versa with Ichigo and Rukia). If (and a very big IF!!!) this should happen than we should start with all the Soul Reapers characters (except Rukia).

Please discuss.--Halls452 (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia and the Bleach wikia are separate entities. What one does has no impact on the other. ~SnapperTo 22:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Ditto what Snapper said. Wikipedia and wiki are two different entities and what they do over there is irrelevant. Here, whether a character has an article is decided on real-world notability backed up by verifiable third-party sources, not what is or is not on wikia. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, that's how it works around here. The Wikipedia rules aren't as lax as Wikia's. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Understood. However, do you think there will any character articles that will have to be fazed out down the road (if the character's notability/reception/popularity drops)? --Halls452 (talk) 02:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability isn't temporary, so if it is established, it stays established. There have been quite a few merge discussions going on recently and I think at the moment, to merge in those that have not established notability. Those that have, however, should have no problems with being merged unless the guidelines for notability change significantly. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Death in Soul society Vs death by hollow/Quincy/earth

The article talks about what happens to souls that die in the soul society, but it doesn't talk about what happens when they are killed by a Hollow, when they die on earth, killed while still living (An arrancar swallows the souls a crowd of living humans, where he says they tasted bad), or when they are hollows, and they're killed by quincies. It doesn't say if they are still reborn, if they go to hell (do those souls ever come back?), or if they are just...Gone. The article doesn't talk about those. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.246.16 (talk) 03:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Link to Bleach, the chemical

The direct link has been placed to bleach the chemical, please do not revert: between a chemical and a comic strip there's not much debate over which gets 'priority'.