Talk:2008 Abu Kamal raid

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A news item involving 2008 Abu Kamal raid was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 26 October 2008.

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Approach

Is it just me, or does the structure, the approach, of this article seem somehow backwards? It offers vague and limited information about the purpose and target of the raid, and that only in the second paragraph, offering nothing at all about the target or purpose in the opening sentences. LordAmeth (talk) 23:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An anon user added the following: It is generally accepted that the US Forces, came, saw, and cleaned up. I think this should be deleted, as it is unhelpful and uncited. --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 23:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to list all participants involved in the box off to the side? While I am certain that there will be a fact check later, the US is currently claiming that they were looking for an insurgent support network, and I am certain that they would claim not to be the "instigators" as listed. I'm just trying to find a way to express this with an appropriately NPOV. Aderksen (talk) 23:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Syrian news???

Is a Syrian news network really verifiable enough to source for an encyclopedia article? The soldiers wouldn't have just killed civilians for no reason, anyone who believes they would is in need of a good ass whuping58.107.179.146 (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, where's the fox news article when you need it? HUR DUR ASS WHOOPIN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.3.243 (talk) 23:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We need to represent their viewpoints too. The reader is supposed to draw the conclusion; we don't draw it for them. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 23:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Though it would be nice to find out how the civilians were killed. Wrong place at the wrong time? --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 23:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is still unfolding. But according to the Syrian govmt, the only people who were killed are civilians. Intelligence mistake?! hmmm. Yazan (talk) 23:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How likely is the Syrian gov't to admit that the dead were insurgents-to-be ready to cross the border into Iraq? Not likely! A²Kafir (and...?) 23:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An eye witness report over at Joshual Landis' blog [1] -- Yazan (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's why regardless of what we personally think, all casualty counts should have their ref mentioned in the text as well. Joshdboz (talk) 00:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Map

Considering there's a lack of photos, does anyone think it would be fine to simply put in a Syrian map with Abu Kamal marked on it for the time being? Joshdboz (talk) 00:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CIA factbook map, anyone? Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 00:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's one right on the Abu Kamal page but I don't know how to put the map point on the generic Syria image. Joshdboz (talk) 00:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Time of attack

According to the info box, the time was 13:45, but the article says 16:45. Which is right? --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 00:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From the BBC [2], 1645 local time and 1345 GMT. Joshdboz (talk) 00:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the info box Eiad77 (talk) 02:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

neutrality

The article quotes official Syrian versions of the event. The U.S. government position should also be stated. If they don't exists then it should be so stated. Wikipedia cannot be the mouthpiece of Syria nor the United States. Spevw (talk) 02:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"unauthorized raid" ??

Presumably this wording in the article means "unauthorized by Syria".

But if that's what it means, the word "unauthorized" seems unnecessary. Clearly Syria does not authorize raids on Syria.

CBHA (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Syria could choose to authorise america to attack insurgents in Syria, they are just stating that this did not happen and the USA violated Syrias airspace. ^{(Hypnosadist)} 03:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

terrorist attack?

This article is obviously biased. It either should be removed or edited to be neutral.