Talk:Hi-Fi murders

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Location

I'm virtually certain the article has it wrong when it locates the crimes as taking place in Ogden, Utah. This confusion arose because the store where the killings occurred was named "Ogden's Hi-Fi". It was located in Salt Lake City. I will not change the article until I get a reference, though. Ellsworth 23:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my bad. The shop was in Ogden, Weber County. State v. Pierre, 572 P.2d 1338 (1977). For some reason I thought it was SLC. Ellsworth 23:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Additional information that maybe should/could be added

According to [1] there was a third assailant, Keith Roberts, who allegedly had no knowledge that Andrews and Pierre planned to commit the murders. He was convicted of armed robbery for his role in the scenario.

Once I'm able to get more evidence, I'll add the third assailant to the article. SailorAlphaCentauri 17:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like he was added to the article, but the reader gets through more than half of the article before his name comes up. This probably needs to be cleaned up with more citations and a neutral point-of-view (it has a lot of impassioned statements with no source to back it up). If I have the time, I'll try to do what I can with it. SailorAlphaCentauri 17:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

local band named after this

Hi, I just wanted to point attention to a local band (layton, utah) named HI-FI Murder. I was wondering if this would/could go in to here?

Sorry, just totally non-notable. 67.160.174.24 (talk) 09:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Non-notable trivia, such as a band or song named after murder-related events, people, etc., detracts from the quality and seriousness of these types of articles. mo ^talk 22:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Veractity / POV

I've just read Victim (the Gary Kinder book). My version is the paperback Atlantic Monthly Press one, with the 1990 afterword by the author.

I have several questions, not in particular order of importance:

(1) Dale Pierre changed his name multiple times while imprisoned. P:299: In all, Pierre changed his name twenty seven times. His final name was indeed Pierre Dale Selby, but I know of no reason why he should be referred to as such in this article. He was Dale S. Pierre at birth and when he committed the crimes and both the prosecutor and I think that is the name that is appropriate. Do you prefer one of his other names, like Del Ray Hoyt, Cody Jay Cavalho, or Houston Lee Hunt? I am changing his name back to Pierre.

(2) The paragraph describing the recovery of the victims wallets is at odds with the account in Witness. Specifically, the two "teenage" dumpster divers are named (P.110) as 12-year-old Charlie Marshall and 11-year-old Walter Grissom. They were interrupted by an airman on the base, 18-year-old Paul Waddon, who asked for the wallets they had recovered. The boys handed over the one belonging to Michelle Ansley and when Waddon called the number in her wallet to tell her he had it, the police immediately descended on the air force dumpster.

(3) Witness contains no desciption of the police officer who is reported to have recieved a citation for his acting skills in searching the dumpster and picked up on Pierre and Andrews acting nervous in person at the scene. In fact, at about the same time, the police had received the phone tip identifying Pierre and Andrews. Im the book, all the police saw was someone watching from the second floor.

(4) Pierre was already a suspect in another brutal slaying of a fellow airman. Police had him on file and fingerprinted, had plenty of motive, but could not proceed to trial due to a lack of physical evidence.