Talk:Sully Sullenberger
explanation
I think the {{prod}} and redirection are both premature. I reverted the redirection.
It is not clear to me whether Sullenberger merits coverage. But, a few minutes web searching shows he is not just an airline pilot. Geo Swan (talk) 10:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, I have decided that his career as an accident investigator, and scholar in the fields of High Reliability systems and Risk Management mean this article is not an instance of WP:BLP1E. Since I started working on this article someone else has redirected it to the article on the accident. And I reverted that redirection. In the interests of collegiality, I wonder whether those who think it should be redirected would discuss their concern here? Geo Swan (talk) 11:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
- I redirected the page the second time, as it had the prod tag on it I assumed no one was working on it - should have checked the edit history. Having said that given your development of the article and the small amount of Googling I've done I'd still be in favour of the article being redirected with some of the information being merged back into the main article. Whatever his achievements prior to the flight I think it is hard to argue that he was notable two days ago, all references to him before the flight appear to be from his place of work and a conference he was speaking at - they are not independent sources. WP:BLP1E states that "The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopaedia entry. Where a person is mentioned by name in a Wikipedia article about a larger subject, but essentially remains a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them... Cover the event, not the person" (emphasis from source). In this case I don't think that the flurry of news coverage there has been - at this stage - warrants an independent article. Additionally I think having any appropriate information in the main article about the flight would make more sense from the readers perspective, neither article is that large and I don't see the need to send people around different articles looking for information on what is - at this stage at least - essentially one topic. Guest9999 (talk) 11:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
- Having said that I'm not about to redirect the article again, there's obviously verifiable information about the guy and I doubt the article will develop any negative bias. Guest9999 (talk) 12:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
- I redirected the page the second time, as it had the prod tag on it I assumed no one was working on it - should have checked the edit history. Having said that given your development of the article and the small amount of Googling I've done I'd still be in favour of the article being redirected with some of the information being merged back into the main article. Whatever his achievements prior to the flight I think it is hard to argue that he was notable two days ago, all references to him before the flight appear to be from his place of work and a conference he was speaking at - they are not independent sources. WP:BLP1E states that "The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopaedia entry. Where a person is mentioned by name in a Wikipedia article about a larger subject, but essentially remains a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them... Cover the event, not the person" (emphasis from source). In this case I don't think that the flurry of news coverage there has been - at this stage - warrants an independent article. Additionally I think having any appropriate information in the main article about the flight would make more sense from the readers perspective, neither article is that large and I don't see the need to send people around different articles looking for information on what is - at this stage at least - essentially one topic. Guest9999 (talk) 11:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
The subject might indeed be "an accident investigator, and scholar in the fields of High Reliability systems and Risk Management", but he is not notable in those areas. I couldn't find any ghits not related to the crash. Seems to fit WP:ONEEVENT very well. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 12:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
AfD
Could someone please complete the AfD? Can't create the discussion page. Simply go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chesley Sullenberger and insert
{{subst:afd2 | pg=Chesley Sullenberger | cat=B | text=[[WP:BLP1E]]. Should be a redirect to [[US Airways Flight 1549]], but not an article on its own.}}Thanks, 78.34.145.54 (talk) 14:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
As to the reasoning, it should go without question that WP:BLP1E means this article cannot exist. Cover the event, not the person. As an aside, shame on those who are unable/unwilling to get a simple notability rule such as BLP1E. Just do never create an article about a living person notable only for one single event. Just do not. 78.34.145.54 (talk) 14:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)