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While 211.28.188.202’s contributions are interesting, I disagree with their applicability to this article and would like to discuss removing them and instead just adding a sailplane link to the current technology list.

The additions seem to suggest two alternatives in overcoming the technological barriers of the NASA PAV vision. Unfortunately, all they mention is that ATOL can be a quiet and ‘cheap’ launching/landing system and that there are quiet planes in existence already. These facts are not successfully culled together to address how they would lend themselves toward accomplishing the PAV vision.

I could not find any photographs of the Brodie System mentioned, but from what I’ve read, it was only used for launching Piper Cubs in WWII, and I could find no substantive statements on it’s cost relative to a regular air field. But any ATOL system requires some kind of launch area (air field) to be used safely. And the building of this site in a residential area is the very argument being made against it in the existing article. Whether you need 100ft or 1000ft to get off the ground, these launch sites still don’t exist right now, and no one is currently planning on paying for them to be built. I agree the technology is a small step in the right direction if you’re single concern is noise abatement. But as far as saving money and time in the march toward a true PAV, I don’t see how they’re any better than a regular small airfield.

The silent Schweitzer aircraft mentioned also seems out of place. Yes they exist, but they achieve their reduced noise levels by operating at very low speed and at respectable altitudes. If one were taking off in your backyard, you’d certainly notice. Since their top speed is a far cry from the 200mph goal, it seems to reason that their silence is a moot point. If you were to introduce the powerplant required to reach those higher speeds, your “silent” mode would quickly disappear.

Your contributions seem to focus on sailplane-centric aircraft characteristics, so I’d like to add sailplanes to the list of types of aircraft quasi-meeting PAV goals, and remove the other text, or at least start a new section titled "Partially Successful PAV Technologies" or the like. But I feel those factoids are really better suited for other articles. Danny 01:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most efficient designs

Can the most efficient designs be added (or atleast pictures). I suggest the Moller Skycar, the strap-on helicopter (said as best options in James May Big Ideas docu), and DM AeroSafe Group Eagle Aero-Cart and AeroVironment SkyTote (the latter being automated, similar to driverless cars).

I also recommend adding a section on this automation (as too James May has done in his docu). Link to driverless car and fly-by-wire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.191.32 (talk) 17:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Push-pull airplanes and TUD Ornithopter

Perhaps the Ornithopter and the Push-pull_configuration aircraft, could have intresting benefits to implement in certain PAV designs.