Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Main (2nd nomination)

Jon Main

Non-professional football (soccer) player who has never played above the sixth level of English football, at which there are no fully professional teams - thereby fails WP:ATHLETE. Previously deleted via AfD last May. ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He fell short of the required criteria back then, and he falls short now. Fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a fully professional league, and there's nothing to suggest he's notable in any other field. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 15:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and previous debate. GiantSnowman 16:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep.I oppose deletion. Allthough Jon Main hasn't played in a professional league, he has scored almost twice as much as the no 2 top scorer in the league. And Jon Main is also better known and more popular than most of the player that played in Conference National and even in the Coca-Cola League, even by a person that lives outside of the United Kingdom and Europe (myself as example). Main has also broken and won many records and even had a fanclub page in Facebook and Myspace, I think the reason is quite enough and should make Jon Main a player of some importance. Do not discriminate player that played in an amatuer league, some of them have credential to grow and is even better than the professional football player. And I hope someone who wanted to propose this article for deletion again in future can give a very concrete reason for his/her doings. I simply cant understand for the fact that this article is being nominated for deletion only for a very simple and a short reason : Never played professional football. Is this is kinda of joke ? — Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 17:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Wimbledon will be promoted this season to the Conference South. His goal scoring records are notable enough to keep his page anyway, I was delighted to find him here because I wanted to find out more about him. JAStewart (talk) 18:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. AFC Wimbledon is a semi-pro football club and currently has unprecedented lead in Conference South and surely will be promoted to Conference National next season. Most of the clubs in the Conference National is registered as fully professional footy club, and AFC Wimbledon will surely do that when they gets promoted. as per citations, & references, it can easily be improved, many articles on Main on the web 194.116.199.218 (talk) 17:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. no use for you to delete it, ppl will recreate this article though. ppl will still recreate the article on him despite being deleted hundredth of times, because main plays an important figure among football fan and ppl in england. you should try to improve the article, so that ppl can know more about him, deleting the article is not the answer. Samanthaness (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Has unbelievable footy records & has also been linked to many league 1 & 2 clubs. Will be called to join a pro team very soon. Article can be easily upgraded --118.107.192.22 (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. There are plenty of sources about him. [1] albeit from local papers. The key issue is whether that is enough given the nature of the league. Capitalistroadster (talk) 19:45, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems to be plenty of third-party sources as demonstrated by the link above. This means he passes WP:N. If a subject passes the general notability guidelines, there is no need for the subject to pass the specific athlete/corp/music/etc. guidelines as well. A high school player may be notable if he or she has significant coverage in reliable third party sources; the fact that they do not meet WP:ATHLETE as well does NOT take away from the notability met as per WP:N. The Seeker 4 Talk 20:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep due to his impreesive scoring record. I actually searched Wikipedia for this page to learn more about him Arnemann (talk) 20:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Main is scoring at a record pace and is the driving force for a rather unprecedented run by AFC Wimbledon, given their history. Further, the team is far more notable and famous than their league position suggests given the history behind their creation and their incredible success. Preceding unsigned comment by User:76.213.235.148 at 13:06, 25 February 2009
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Player fails WP:Athlete and from what I can see, also fails WP:Notability, the sources noted above on Google news are almost entirely match reports where the player is mentioned as having performed some action in the game (Main is expected to be fit for the game, Main scored a goal in this match - and so on), I do not think there are enough articles on him that constitute "Significant coverage" which as per WP:Notability means "that sources address the subject directly in detail". He may (or may not) be in a professional team soon and AFC Wimbledon may (or may not) be promoted this season but Wikipedia is definitely not a crystal ball. Camw (talk) 04:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - most of the keep !votes seem to be on the basis of ILIKEIT (he has scored lots of goals and/or should be treated differently because he plays for AFC Wimbledon) or CRYSTAL (he will probably be signed by a professional team soon)...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep --- per good reasoning by Theseeker4 60.48.246.75 (talk) 08:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Camw. Clearly fails WP:ATHLETE, having never played in a fully-pro league. (Note for those less well-acquainted with the levels of English football: even if crystal-balling were acceptable, and even if AFC Wimbledon are promoted this season, the league they will be promoted to is still not a fully-pro league.) Not enough non-trivial coverage to pass WP:BIO. Struway2 (talk) 12:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment.Disagree. As far as I am concerned, the article already passes WP:N, the subject passes the general notability guidelines, so there is no need for it to pass WP:ATHLETE and so on. The article got loads of references and links, besides the daily page view for the article is also quite high compared to other new entrants. The article passes the MAIN rules for article inclusion in Wikipedia so there is no need for deletion. The subject also have some importance to show. He holds many league records and is the current topscorer and so on. Main got "The People's Support". He is so like a champ to them. 118.107.192.22 (talk) 15:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]