Talk:Blackest Night

Article title

Should this be Green Lantern: The Blackest Night or just The Blackest Night? I'm kind of leaning towards the latter, since it seems to be more commonly used in interviews with creators and such. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 20:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Find a cite, don't guess. If there isn't a cite for any title, that should be noted at the AfD. - J Greb (talk) 22:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I was trying to start a discussion, but if a fiat is preferred I found a citation and changed it. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 22:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if that came off as abrupt, but the reason for the AfD is that the article is covering the scant information available about a story arc slated for "Summer 2009", more than a year away. If what source information there is for it is consistently calling it "The Blackest Night" or "Blackest Night", then that's what the article should be. If they vary between that and "Green Lantern:..." and DC hasn't released an final or working title, it's "Untitled 2009 Green Lantern project" with the variations redirecting. In that case, picking one is us guessing, presenting information not fully supported by the cites. - J Greb (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Geoff Johns ([1], [2]) and the others working on the project (Ethan van Sciver and Ivan Reis) have referred to it specifically as "The Blackest Night". Not to mention that there's an image in the infobox that says "The Blackest Night" in big letters. I think we've adequately cited the name. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 23:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

And doing a double check:

• In the Johns interviews ( "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" and IGN) it bounces between The Blackest Night and Blackest Night.
• In the Wondercon panel roll-up, the sole cite (see following) is as Green Lantern: The Blackest Night.

“ Elaborating on DC Universe #0, DiDio said that the one-shot issue is more than just a bridge between Countdown to… and Final Crisis proper, but also lays the groundwork for Green Lantern: Blackest Night, the upcoming Wonder Woman story, and more. To do this, the various artists were brought on. ”

A hedge would be that DiDio's statement, by venue, is the full working title. But it's not definitive. (The argument going which knows the title better the Editor or the Writer.)

(added in response)

Just keep in mind:

1. "Green Lantern: Blackest Night" is a mouthful to constantly repeat in an interview and in conversation. Johns, van Sciver, and Reis may not be using the full title, but the portion that's easiest to use.
2. Titles on teaser or promotional copy aren't set in stone.
3. The banner on the page reads "Green Lantern THE BLACKEST NIGHT" (only the GL section has an implied caps/lower case typography), not just simply "The Blackest Night".

- J Greb (talk) 23:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with the DiDio assessment for two reasons: 1) since it was an impromptu answer to a question and like you said people don't typically say full legal names for everything in common parlance and 2) the quote also has him saying "Countdown to..." and that's sure not the title for that series.

But you're right about the banner in GL #25. We should probably go with "Green Lantern: The Blackest Night" until we see solicits or press releases. I'll revert my move.--Hemlock Martinis (talk) 23:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Article Fuel

I don't really have the time, but if someone could comb this Newsarama interview with Geoff Johns for article facts, that'd be awesome. --CmdrClow (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Just saw it, was planning to go over it tomorrow. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 09:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

There's some good stuff in this article with Ethan Van Sciver, as well.75.4.128.39 (talk) 03:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Somebody? --CmdrClow (talk) 03:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Allusions

From the paragraph about the insignia down through the end of the section, all of these need secondary sources that they are hints, clues, and/or foreshadowing. If all that can be cited is the primary source and "I think..." or "It's apparent..." it's OR and needs to be culled. - J Greb (talk) 22:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Colors

I'm new to Wikipedia still so I don't want to start an edit war, but I just don't find the links to the colors relevant. I find a person is more likely going to click on one of the links hoping to learn more about that color from the DC universe perspective than wanting to learn something about the color itself. Still I would like to hear more people's opinion on this. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 23:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Mostly it's the fact that the article exists with in a general use encyclopedia.

Yes, there are going to be places to link to comic book and Green Lantern specific articles, but there are also places where wider contexts have a place.

In the article, as it is currently constructed, linking to the closely related articles makes sense for:

• Green Lantern — The infobox and the lead, where the full term is used. (Green Lantern Corps can be handled similarly.)
• Sinestro Corps — The infobox and the first instance of the term in the text. The second case needs to be added (1st paragraph under "Background").
• Star Sapphire (comics) — Where the group is actually named. And that is in the text following "Violet".
• Power ring (weapon) — Where the article first mentions "power ring". There is actually a good place for this...

"...the two existing Corps would be joined by five new ones, each driven by a specific emotion and empowered by a specific colour of the spectrum, leading to an all-out war that would end up destroying the universe."

With the slight change...

"...the two existing Corps would be joined by five new ones, each driven by a specific emotion and using power rings empowered by a specific colour of the spectrum, leading to an all-out war that would end up destroying the universe."

There is also that the linking the colors to the comics articles creates a non sequitur in most cases. The GLC, SC and Sapphires, at an extreme stretch, relate to the colors green, yellow, and violet. The power ring article though doesn't naturally flow from the other five colors.

- J Greb (talk) 00:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand why those three would be a stretch considering that is the color they use to power there rings. As for the other ones, the Power Ring article also talk about the different colors and there effects, I was just unable to figure out what code to put it so it went to that specific section.

I understand that as an encyclopedia you don't have to just link to similar articles in the article in question. If you see my other contributions you will see I understand this principle. The fact remains though is that in this particular article I just don't think that those links themselves are useful and would serve better to direct people to the in universe description of them.

Still like I said before I don't wish to get involved in an edit war. So I will concede to your judgment and move on. If you wish to discuss this further you can leave a message on my talk page. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 00:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Elements that may need to be added, and on to watch.

Possible adds:

• The triangle and 4 rays (Black power ring emblem) has also appeared in the eyes of the scarred Guardian and as the logo for the Hand family mortuary ("Secret Origins" arc).
• The "Secret Origins" arc also gives an indication that Hand is the container or contact point for Black equivalent of Ion or Parallax.

And to watch...

• The scarred Guardian... right now there have been multiple panels of her eyes containing one or more of the Lantern emblems, so far Black, Yellow, and Green. To this point, has there been any hard comments from Johns about her being connected to multiple, if not all of, the Corps?

- J Greb (talk) 19:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Fictional crossover

How is this a "fictional crossover"? TunaSushi (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Check list part one

And this is from where? Hopefully not from a book that has yet to be published... - J Greb (talk) 10:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

And since the IP has now indicated that it's from a book yet to be released, the information can just go.

And fair warning - the info comes back before May 2nd, it's likely that the page will be semi-protected.

- J Greb (talk) 22:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Why did you delete the talk information? DC has started shipping the book to retailers. That's released enough and it's reliably cited. That said, even if you disagree, I would have thought that an administrator would act in better faith instead of vandalizing other users' talk postings.

From Blackest Night #0

   * Green Lantern #43-47
   * Green Latern Corps #39-41
   * Blackest Night #1-4
   * Blackest Night: Tales of the Corp #1-3
   * Blackest Night: Superman #1-3
   * Blackest Night: Batman #1-3
   * Blackest Night: Titans #1-3

96.231.16.93 (talk) 01:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)