User talk:Kevin

Please note that if you post something for me here, I'll respond to it here.

If I posted on your talk page, I have it watched so you can reply there.

It just makes for easier reading. Thanks.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Fitzgerald

Well done. If this is sent to DRV against WP:BLP, please drop me a note on my talk or via email as soon as possible in case I miss the note on your own talk page. Thanks. rootology (C)(T) 15:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Root. Well done. لennavecia 19:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Not well done at all. Can you kindly explain how you came to your conclusion given that as FT2 pointed out there were good versions of the article that didn't even mention the BLP issue? JoshuaZ (talk) 01:34, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

The delete arguments were essentially that this person was not notable of themselves, but only in connection with Bush. After FT2's rewrite, several editors argued that their opinion had not changed, because the underlying issue was still the same. That, and the new opinions that the article should be deleted after the AfD was re-opened convinced me that the consensus was to delete. Kevin (talk) 01:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Under what guideline or policy does someone being notable primarily due to a connection make them not notable? JoshuaZ (talk) 03:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

A poor choice of words, what I meant was that this person is not notable herself, and is only known at all (in reliable sources) for her connection to Bush. The mentions in articles primarily related to other subjects do not demonstrate notability for Fitzgerald. Kevin (talk) 04:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this a problem?

I have reason to believe 76.214.104.121 and 68.251.184.4 are the same person. Both have been involved at ME and freedom house. Today I was asked to "recuse" from editing by 76.21.104.121 at FH. Diff. full discussion. After reverting an edit by 68.251.184.4, he responded with this rationale in history i thought you were agreeing to at least temporarily leave my edits alone. I did a geolocate for both addresses, and the ISP is in the same state and city. You'll have to click on their users and scroll down to "geolocate" to see the link. The site doesn't allow unique pages, every hit is simply listed as [1]. Could this pose a problem for the mediation? Wikifan12345 (talk) 02:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem for me. The person behind the IP likely has no control over their IP address, and they did confirm at the mediation page that it is the same person (at least at Talk:Mohamed_ElBaradei. It would be useful for you both to disengage at other articles to avoid spillover, but that is up to you. Discussion of behavior elsewhere will not be helpful at the mediation. Kevin (talk) 02:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, wait so the user confirmed both IPs were use? I know some routers alternate IPs randomly. It is odd though because at times it seemed the two IPs were unique, often caring different views. I don't know. Wikifan12345 (talk) 03:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I really don't want this to get in the way of mediation either, but it had the appearance that WF followed me to the article and then he started reverting my edits. I politely asked him to then just leave the article alone temporarily, which he has done in words and will hopefully do in action.--99.162.60.191 (talk) 15:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Disruption of mediation?

The IPer involved in the mediation as "reported" me at incidents. I personally find this disturbing, but I'd appreciate your opinion. Does this pose a threat to our mediation process? Wikifan12345 (talk · contribs) has been uncivil and making personal attacks in edits at Talk:Mohamed ElBaradei:. Wikifan12345 (talk) 21:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

It certainly will not make mediation easier. I'll comment there shortly. Kevin (talk) 22:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Wikifan12345 (talk) 22:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I won't edit there while mediation is going on. Though I would hope the IP would do the same, for now. Wikifan12345 (talk) 23:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC) :D

Thanks. I'm not going to ask the IP for the same, because of their long history editing that article. I have asked the IP not to make any further reports regarding you without running them by me first. I've added a request at the mediation when you get a chance. Kevin (talk) 23:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Again, if I didn't have a long history editing the article and if WF didn't have no history editing the article then this wouldn't have been a perceived problem. I also tried to kindly take the issue up with WF first. Anyways, I will be sure to bring the issue here first if (and hopefully there won't be) a next time.--99.162.60.191 (talk) 02:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. It will make mediation easier. Kevin (talk) 03:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk page

Shold I respond to edits on the FH talk page? I was thinking the idea would be to end this dispute and not show up on articles or talk pages in which WF is involved as well, but maybe I am missing the point? Thanks,--99.162.60.191 (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection of John Cooper Clarke

Your "Note - if I have protected a page with the summary..." comment tails off into nothing at the top of your talk page, so forgive me if I'm missing an obvious point, but why have you semi-protected John Cooper Clarke with a summary of "Persistent and significant violations of policy on biographical articles by multiple IPs"? The last IP edit was in mid-March, and checking the article history I can't find a single anonymous-IP BLP-violation edit to the article in the past two years. --McGeddon (talk) 10:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The criteria I use (I've fixed the missing note at the top) includes plain vandalism, and this edit met my criteria. The edit that was the basis of the request I answered does not qualify in that it was by an autoconfirmed user, but shows that the article is underwatched. Kevin (talk) 11:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, that seems a bit extreme, but it looks like it's being discussed already. You might like to use a clearer edit summary in future, and maybe actually link to the user essay you're invoking; one anon IP markup-clicking test that lasted six hours and one subtle vandal edit that went unnoticed for six weeks doesn't seem "persistent and significant" from here. --McGeddon (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

markoff

Hi Kevin - I'm curious to know why you removed Dougweller's notification on the Markoff talk page about the block he made. Seems to me that it is relevant for other editors who have been dealing with him to know, given the edit history and I've seen similar notices many times on article talk pages. I assume you have a reason, so I'm not undoing it, but I am interested to know why. Thanks - and thanks for coming in and helping out there. Tvoz/talk 07:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

A mistake - I clicked rollback by mistake, but never ended up at the confirmation screen so I thought it did not go through. I'd remove my rollback if it wasn't bundled with admin tools. Thanks for the note. Kevin (talk) 07:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

No prob. I tend to use my rollback sparingly because it's like sudden death - I think I saw somewhere that there's a fix that can be added that will give you an option for an edit summary but I haven't had a chance to really look into it. Tvoz/talk 07:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Ted Leonsis

You say "significant and persistent" BLP violations. There has been two vandalism edits (today, May 5) in a year+. Where is this persistent vandalism? Grsz¹¹ 15:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

These edits [2], [3] and [4] were the reason I protected. The vandalism is persistent in that it remained up for over an hour before being reverted. See User:Lar/Liberal_Semi for my criteria and the request relating to this article. Kevin (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

This was a legitimate edit that the same IP later sourced (probably after they realized that they needed to). Still, two edits, no more severe than the common "i don't like him" vandal, and nothing compared to others on that page like [5] or [6]. On the same note, how is this blatant vandalism? Grsz¹¹ 03:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I do not distinguish between different types of vandalism for BLPs, so mild or severe all receive the same treatment. On the second issue you will need to explain the relevance of that diff to me. This one is the reason protecting Joe_Elliott. Kevin (talk) 04:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

With a comment at RFPP, I brought the issue up at WP:ANI#User:Lar/Liberal Semi. I don't fault you, I just think it's something that needs comments so no wheel-warring results. Grsz¹¹ 16:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Wheel warring is bad. No need for it. If consensus ends up that a particular article doesn't need the protection we think it does, that's fine. It will be interesting to see if the vandalism resumes. ++Lar: t/c 17:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You know you could have just asked directly. Kevin (talk) 22:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Sexual abuse scandal in Worcester diocese

I would like to ask you to re-create the article on the Sexual abuse scandal in Worcester diocese. The scandal really occured and there are plenty of sources that are not attacks against anyone. See for example this National Catholic Reporter article [7] about the abuser who got 50 years in jail. It is a fairly notable scandal, and the page is mostly modeled on the article Sexual abuse scandal in Boston archdiocese. ADM (talk) 03:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

That source supports neither the article title nor most of the allegations within the article. I will not restore based on that alone. Kevin (talk) 03:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

There is also this [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] It goes on and on. Not accepting these sources shows a bias on your part. ADM (talk) 03:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I have not made any comment on these sources as yet. My deletions are based on the content of the article as it was when I deleted it. It is not any bias, I am acting in accordance with policy. Kevin (talk) 03:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I have also deleted Thomas Dupre for the same reasons. Again, If reliable sources are supplied to back up the material, I will restore. Kevin (talk) 03:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The page about Dupre was a mere biography page and your deletion is clearly abusive. You could have added some kind of POV tag but you chose to delete it without warning. For this, your capacities as administrator should come under question. ADM (talk) 03:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to just have this discussion in one place? WP:BLP/N is fine. Kevin (talk) 03:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)