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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 71.243.249.219 (talk) at 00:50, 27 November 2005 (A response to the inane comments of Locke). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Please stop adding every possible link under the sun to this article. Please do read WP:NOT. Please do not tamper with the IMDb template. —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 20:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop deleting the most authoritative link on the case. A non-profit site that offers pertinent news, photos, and the latest video associated with the Lafave saga. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Debra_Lafave — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.249.219 (talk • contribs) 02:34, November 26, 2005 (UTC)
A Yahoo Group is for-profit, so that's out the window. Again, Wikipedia is not a link farm. —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 11:19, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Get your facts straight, a Yahoo Group is not for profit. While Yahoo sells ads, so does every other site you have listed. The owner of a particular group makes no money. Unlike the Free Debra site you have had listed many times that is only in business to sell T-shirts.

How about IMDB, they sell ads and they are definitely for-profit? However, I deleted it to make sure I followed your lead.

Btw, nobody give's a rat's butt about Owen Lafave. He is not the story. He's only cashing in on the notoriety that Debra has brought him. A worthless link. Maybe it would be appropriate on Owen's page. Btw, does anybody ever visit your Owen Lafave page? lmao Do you even have one? lol

Nor does anybody care about Debra Lafave's teacher rating at Greco Middle School, either. Why? Well, in case you hadn't heard, she's not a teacher anymore so that link is irrelevant. Don't worry I'll delete that too for you.

I would also say the Greco Middle school link you had posted is irrelevant, as well. Do you really think people are clamoring to see a picture of her former school? Okay maybe one or two... ha ha ha

No, the reason people look for Wikipedia is to find information, news and photos about a subject. That's what forums like Yahoo groups offer.

So why don't leave well enough alone and quit deleting useful links before I have to ask one of the impartial editor's above you to review the situation. You already look pretty ridiculous based on your demonstrated understanding of basic logic but I don't mind embarrassing you further, if you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.249.219 (talk • contribs) 13:37, November 26, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I haven't added any links to this article, I've only been removing them because they seem like attempts at self-promotion (or are largely irrelevant to an encyclopedia). You are of course welcome to disagree, but your manner of disagreement needs work. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your diatribe. Good day. —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 21:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So you think this is about self promotion? If that's what it was, why would I ever bother to correct the inaccurate info posted in the article?

The truth is that you were ignorant about Yahoo groups before and thus you only thought the link was there for self promotion. Now that you've been enlightened to the truth, you should be flexible enough to alter your perception based on the facts and not your personal assumptions.

Btw, you never answered my questions about the relevancy of the links that remain? As someone who so clearly sees the difference between bad and good links, you ought to be able to show why any of the aforementioned links deserve a place on Debra Lafave's page.

Btw, sorry you don't like my manner of disagreement. I don't like your manner of ill-informed decision making, either. But as an editor here, you should at least answer direct questions instead of avoiding issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.249.219 (talk • contribs) 14:49, November 26, 2005 (UTC)

As far as I can tell you haven't corrected much info in the article, in fact I've ended up having to research and revert your "corrections" (like the tattoo bit).
I was not ignorant of Yahoo! groups before, I'm just fully aware that anyone can create a Yahoo! group, and that going by the number of postings in the group you were attempting to promote, it doesn't seem like a very active group to me.
In so far as the links that remain, I see one other I'll likely remove (the snapsoid.com link). The IMDb link is relevant because it links to the movie Owen Lafave is involved with. The teacher rating site already has a high Alexa rating, plus it seems halfway relevant. The Greco Middle School link is informative because it includes contact information for the school where she worked. That leaves the CourtTV link, a media outlet with a story on her recent guilty plea (which is necessary to fulfill WP:V).
As a tip for you in the future: making attacks on people is not the way to win over their agreement. Now, please go read WP:NOT, since I think you've ignored that during this entire ordeal. —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 23:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


1. I'm not interested in winning you over. You've already demonstrated that isn't possible by your inability to value any constructive criticism directed toward you. Btw, I see from your talk page that a lot of other people have told you to go fuck yourself in your short stint as a Wikipedian editor. That should tell you something about your lack of ability to be flexible and unbiased.

2. Why do you back track so much? Obviously you were ignorant of Yahoo Groups before because you thought that group owners somehow profit from their site. I guess it's easy when you can edit out what's been said here anytime you want.

3. Court TV is yet another highly commercial link. Had the trial gone forward they would have even sold pay per view coverage of the trial. You said commercial links don't belong in Wikipedia. I guess you don't even follow your own guidelines, huh?

4. Again, Lafave is not a teacher anymore. If you bothered to scan the teacher ratings site, you'd see that most of the comments there were written after her arrest was well publicized. Also, anyone can add info on that site. It has no screening to tell whether comments there were actually made by the children she taught. Thus, it has very dubious credibility and should not be linked on this page.

5. Sure, go ahead and list Greco's site. No one cares about it except Greco! ha ha ha. In fact, I'm sure the school is so happy that Wikipedia wants to further the misery and unwanted notoriety they've experienced because of Debra Lafave by continuing to associate their school w/her.

Chinese characters

Actually, it doesn't really matter if they were Chinese characters or Japanese characters as the sentence reads as this:

The county sheriff's office alleges the minor has identified a butterfly and Chinese characters tattooed on Lafave's body.

And the allegation does say Chinese. If someone has a problem with that, take it up with the county sheriff's office, not with Wikipedia. —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 23:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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