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This article was nominated for deletion on 29 April, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Lists Corrected

Certain people have been playing around with the order of the lists, and so I have corrected the order and re-started the discussion of this page, please note this is not a fourm for discussing the order of the list. Take any challenges up with the people at AFI! :)

Gavin Scott 02:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

Trivia section removed per, Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections Gavin Scott 06:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"trivia" should be changed to "did you know" or something like that. "GET SOME" 19:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the Villains list, the nameless hunter who shot Bambi's mother appears.

This bit is unnecessary as anyone can see it from reading the list. I deleted it. If it goes back up I will continue to delete it. Maynardhater

What's Up?

This has got to be the most non scary list of villains I've ever seen. Most of the villains are from kids movies that aren't that scary at all. Michael Myers from Halloween should be on there along with Jason Voorhees. "GET SOME" 19:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They don't need to be sccary to be villans. You right that Michal Myeres should be on the list, but going around and killing donsen't make you a villian(not so big as psycolocic villian does). --195.0.176.100 (talk) 22:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joan Crawford

Joan Crawford is in the Villains section. By clicking on her name you go to her Wikipedia entry that reads:

Joan Crawford (March 23, 1905 or 1908 – May 10, 1977), [1] [2] was an acclaimed, iconic, Academy Award-winning American actress, arguably one of the greatest from the Golden Age of Hollywood from the 1920s through 1940s. The American Film Institute named Crawford among the Greatest Female Stars of All Time, ranking her at number ten.

Why then is she on the Villains list ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.40.223.31 (talk) 15:48, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Try looking at Mommie Dearest (film) and you'll understand why Joan Crawford is on AFI's list. -Phoenixrod 06:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did. And found: Awards and nominations * Golden Raspberry Awards

   Won: Worst Picture
   Won: Worst Screenplay
   Won: Worst Actress (Faye Dunaway)
   Won: Worst Supporting Actor (Steve Forrest)
   Won: Worst Supporting Actress (Diana Scarwid)
   Won: Razzie Award for Worst Picture of the Decade (1980s)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kondo (talk • contribs) 10:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its the character NOT the actor who is being put in these lists, being a top villain is an achievement.Gavin Scott 18:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Terminator[1] !== Terminator[2]

I edited the statement about "same character" under "actors" to say "identical characters", as the terminators were different copies of the same model. Does anybody have a better way of stating that? ... this was the best I could come up with. Davidyorke (talk) 07:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actors Kubrick Directed

In the section mentioning the characters that came from movies Stanley Kubrick directed, the character Spartacus is missing. Even though Kubrick was brought in as a replacement director for the film, he does receive credit on the Wikipedia page for the film, so I think he should receive credit on this page as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.60.188 (talk) 20:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Someone has modified the number one villain to be Heath Ledger's joker - if I recall correctly, that was actually Buffalo Bill, of the Silence of the Lambs. This needs to be confirmed and fixed. SomebodyElse321 (talk) 03:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IP users love to make that change lately. It's quite annoying. A 2003 list doesn't involve a 2008 film! -Phoenixrod (talk) 06:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doubles in the List

On the Hero side, James Bond (Dr. No, Sean Connery) is listed at numbers 3 and 46. On the Villain side Norman Bates (Psycho, Anthony Perkins) is listed at numbers 2 and 45. I could understand if it was the same character in a different movie or the same character by a different actor but they both list the same film and the same actor. Is anyone registered with AFI so they could check that out? Maybe AFI's list refers to something different about the 2 for clarification. 24.137.193.145 (talk) 22:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)Andrew C[reply]

The Joker is still listed as double, at positions 5 and 45. If someone has the complete list, can he/she please correct it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.66.25 (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hannibal Lector

It says in article that Ed Gein inspired the character of Hannibal Lector but i'm not sure this is true, perhaps just an assumption. It appears that the Jame Gumb character from The Silence of the Labms was in fact inpried by Gain. From other information found on Wikipedia:

Thomas Harris has given few interviews, and has never explained where he got inspiration for Hannibal Lecter, but in a documentary for Hannibal Rising, Lecter's early murders were said by the filmmakers to be based on murders that Harris had covered when he was a crime scene reporter in the 1960s.

Harris, who was a crime scene reporter before he was an author, has never given specific details about what influences that he had for Lecter. But in a documentary of Hannibal Rising, Lecter's early murders were said by the filmakers to be based on murders that Harris had covered when he was a reporter [1]. Harris, who rarely gives interviews, has never definitively explained his influences for creating Lecter. However, real-life cannibalistic murderers such as Albert Fish and Andrei Chikatilo have been suggested to be possible influences. In 1992, Harris also paid a visit to the ongoing trials of Pietro Pacciani, who was suspected of being the serial killer who was nicknamed the "Monster of Florence". Parts of Pacciani's killing methods were used as reference for the novel Hannibal.

Harris based Jame Gumb on five real-life killers:[2][3] • Jerry Brudos, who murdered women and would dress up in their clothing and would use their skin to make items that he kept around his house. • Ed Gein, who murdered two women and dug up several graves to make a "woman suit" for himself. • Ted Bundy, who pretended to be injured and asked his victims for help, and then incapacitated and killed them. • Gary M. Heidnik, who kidnapped six women and held them hostage as sex slaves. • Edmund Kemper, who, like Gumb, killed his grandparents as a teenager "just to see what it felt like".

(Ed Gein) He is often called a serial killer despite his conviction for only two murders,[1] though he indeed provided an influence for several fictional serial killers: Norman Bates from Psycho, Jame Gumb from The Silence of the Lambs, and Leatherface from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.206.215.194 (talk) 14:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More Vandalism

It would appear the vandals are at it again, listing Shooter McGavin as the top villain. While amusing this is, of course, inaccurate. 38.105.191.210 (talk) 20:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]