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"Superheroine"

Hi Archimedean! Thanks for your participation on this topic. I reviewed Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics#Superheroine and there doesn't seem be a consensus for the style guide that you cited in your reversions. While the Ip poster has noted that according to Wikipedia:Gender-neutral_language, certain words can be considered uncommon, no clear statement is given for the consideration of the terms "heroine" or "superheroine." The statement lacks an objective measure of commonness and uncommonness. Therefore, I'm going to revert the changes to their original status until a consensus is reached. Feel free to talk it out with me on my talk page or over there on WikiProject talk.Luminum (talk) 19:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ship classes

Hello; can you explain the idea behind creating ship classes that only redirect to others such as United States-class frigate? There never were any United States class ships. Ships of that era were never built from classes. --Brad (talk) 13:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps unusually for their time, the first six vessels of the US Navy were built to two class plans (and a third plan based on one of the class plans, but significantly different). These classes were not given names at the time, but tradition has led several reputable scholars to designated the three classes as United States-class frigate, Constellation-class frigate, and Chesapeake-class frigate. These designations can be found in a number of sources, including Spencer Tucker's Stephen Decatur: A Life Most Bold And Daring, and Paul H. Silverstone's The Sailing Navy, 1775-1854, both published by the US Naval Institute Press.

The classes should probably have separate page listings, but I was concerned about breaking up the article Original six frigates of the United States Navy. Perhaps separate articles could be established for each class (save Chesapeake, which should redirect to the ship, in the style of the Enterprise-class aircraft carrier) without detracting from the primary page for the six ships.--Archimedean (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In all of the books I used as references for USS Constitution (and yes I've read them all see the bibliography) and additionally Chapelle, Howard Irving (1949). The History of the American Sailing Navy; the Ships and Their Development. New York: Norton. OCLC 1471717. there is no reference to a named set of classes for these ships. The 1794 Naval Act called for 44-gun and 36-gun (later reclassed to 38's) frigates. Your Tucker book was written about Stephen Decatur; not about ships. Silverstone may have decided to apply a modern day classification to these ships but that would have been his invention which counters every other source I've found so far.

Basing the changes on one source of information while many others do not agree with that information is rather sketchy based on what is required for a solid agreement. In the case of Constitution which is a Featured Article your changes should be discussed before implementation which is why I reverted them. I think that reading the main article Original six frigates of the United States Navy will break down the same explanation in regards to these ships as I've just explained above. Overall, you're going to have to find a lot more than one source to warrant a change. --Brad (talk) 17:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's accurate to dismiss The Sailing Navy, 1775-1854 as an aberrant work. It's the first volume of the fairly authoritative (and highly complete) US Navy Warship series, a five-volume comprehensive encyclopedia of American fighting ships, and is generally respected. Moreover, the description of the early US frigates by class - specifically as of United States-class frigate, Constellation-class frigate, and Chesapeake-class frigate is not confined to it. Register of Ships of the U.S. Navy, 1775-1990: Major Combatants (1991), by K. Jack Bauer and Stephen S. Roberts describes them as such, as does Picture history of the U. S. Navy, from old Navy to new, 1776-1897 (1956), by Theodore Roscoe and Fred Freeman. Other, lesser references, such as napoleon-series.org, also refer to the original frigates by these designations.

Is there any available reference which contradicts the designation of the original frigates in this way? I've encountered no information which lists them as without class, nor any which indicates classes other than those listed above. In the absence of countervailing evidence, the above references - several of them authoritative works nearly on par with Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships - should suffice, particularly given that the class names given are in agreement with general United States Navy practice.--Archimedean (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]