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I dispute that TKO, Osaka street cutter and Twist of Fate are types of stunner. 193.122.31.188 10:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

umm why? they are moves that see the wrestler drop there opponent jaw across the shoulder as in a stunner... also it is noted the cutter referencs in the article on several occasions --- Paulley 11:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am pretty sure that the "twist of fate" was invented during Jeff's stay in the WWE.

The original cutter variation was invented during WWE, the stunner was invented during his run in TNA. --- Lid 03:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Before Mickey Whipwreck used it, Johnny Ace used it in the early 90's as his finisher in Japanese wrestling: The Ace Crusher. I think he was the first guy to use it. Uncle Muller 2007

See Cutter (professional wrestling) --- Paulley (talk) 19:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a mention of Johnny Ace in the article. He used the stunner varient before Mikey Whipwreck, but the article reads as if Mikey invented the hold. HDC7777 (talk) 15:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Ace invented the Cutter (professional wrestling), as far as i know Whipwreck was the first to do this variation --- Paulley (talk) 17:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any actual proof that Whipwreck was the first to use it? There are no citations provided to prove it Lynx Raven Raide (talk) 03:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the diamond cutter the same as the elevated stunner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.148.6 (talk) 23:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the twist of fate is also listed under article Cutter (professional wrestling) - surely it cant be both a stunner and a cutter - that would be too huge.