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Redwolf24 (Talk) 21:58, 5 August 2005 (UTC) The current date and time is 5 November 2024 T 15:10 UTC.[reply]

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Punahou article

Thanks for restoring the comment and your explanation of the policy. The person who did the erasure is so like a Punahou attendee, just wipe out what you don't like. Punahou does this in their teaching of the missionaries' role in Hawaiian history.--Gmosaki 06:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Great commentary added to discussion page. You are a very observant person. Maybe you should start an article about the English Standard Schools in addition to one on NPOV differs in Hawai'i from the general mainland view (there are definite contrasts regionally). (Ironically, when the English Standard Schools were closed, the population was mostly of Japanese- and Chinese-Americans with very few Caucasians.) It should be noted in the article that Roosevelt High School, Stevenson Intermediate (now Middle School), and Lincoln Elementary are right next to Hawaiian Home Lands. It was a bit hard to believe that these schools were so dominated by the "Americanized" culture going to Stevenson in the 1980's. However, many of the teachers (and the principal at the time, Mrs. Ernesta Masaganatani) did take pride in being at a school that was formerly an English Standard School and expected us students to perform at as high standard a standard we could. --Gmosaki 22:00, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template: Kurosawa

Thank you for your courteous note and for your good work on the template. —Morning star 01:28, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Punahou School

I've added the {{POV check}} header to the article. See Talk:Punahou School. --Viriditas | Talk 11:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sanford Dole

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sanford_B._Dole and respond. I am making an effort to compromise here and I hope you do the same. 172.141.69.142 03:11, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Naming Conventions for Hawaiian Monarchs

Hello, are you familiar with the Kingdom of Hawaii's monarchy? There's been a huge fuss lately over whether articles on Hawaii's monarchs are in the right location and there are some people who'd like to change the format used in naming the articles (e.g. one user wants to move the article Kamehameha I to Kamehameha I, King of Hawaii. We're having a (slow) discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Manual of Style#Names of monarchs, and as a member of WikiProject:Hawaii, your views on the conflict would be most appreciated. Thank you! 青い(Aoi) 08:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cut-n-paste move

Hi, when you moved Lily Dorton to Lilikala Kame'eleihiwa, you did it with a cut-n-paste move. You should never move an article with a cut-n-paste move - it loses track of the edit history, which we need Wikipedia:Copyright reasons. Every page has a "Move this page" tab - please use it. (If it doesn't work because the target cannot be erased, and you need an admin's assistance, please use WP:RM.)

Now, part of the history of the article is under the first name. I'll have to figure out which revisions of each need to be put together to create a consistent history of the article (discarding others), and do it, before I can delete the redirect. Noel (talk) 01:57, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I don't usually check other User_talk: pages (so that I don't have to monitor a whole long list of User_Talk: pages - one for each person with whom I am having a "conversation"), so please leave any messages for me on my talk page (above); if you leave a message for me here I probably will not see it. I know not everyone uses this style (they would rather keep all the text of a thread in one place), but I simply can't monitor all the User_talk: pages I leave messages on. Thanks!

Well, hopefully in most cases the "Move" tab will work for you, and you won't need any help at all.
As to the article name, who knows how he came up with Lily, but it's clearly incorrect. As soon as I can fix the histories (I've been avoiding it during the day today, as the system is so slow), it will go away.
As to that editor's political orientation, well, that's life. No doubt they feel the same way about you, right? :-) The challenge for both of you will be to try and work together to produce articles... Noel (talk) 20:57, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians in Hawaii

Also, there's a category Category:Wikipedians in Hawaii. Not sure if you fit, but if you do, you might want to add that tag to your user page. Noel (talk) 05:27, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Help Please!

Hey IslandGyrl, I just did a major rework of the Apology Bill page, moved the text to wikisource (i think i did it right), and put in two sections, Arguments for and Arguments against...my problem is I can't for the life of me write the Arguments for with a straight face...I put in some skeleton there, but I would really appreciate it if you could help me balance the article. I've googled for arguments for the apology bill, but mostly just found people referencing the apology bill without justifying it. Could you help? Thank you so much! --JereKrischel 05:23, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks IslandGyrl, got your message and made my User:JereKrischel/Work in progress page. I like how you broke things out into the hierarchy on yours, but I'm not sure if we're going to be able to make an equal number of points on both sides to balance things out...you may surprise me though! I removed the Arguments for and Arguments against sections from the Apology Bill page, but I left the wikisource edit to the full text of the bill...I hope that looked okay to you... Anyway, thank you for showing me how to create sub pages! I'm looking foward to putting this stuff together in a balanced light, and given my own biases I certainly can't do it without help :) I've also added a few things on the Sanford B. Dole page, mostly timeline stuff for the overthrow, but also a few points in the discussion pages. Mahalo! --JereKrischel 06:24, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My Apology Resolution

IslandGryl, I am the person who has made all of those anon edits that have resulted in disputes on some Hawaiian related pages. I apologize for some of my harsh words and I will attempt to be kinder and hopefully fairer with you. I have never been to Hawaii (I am just a midwestern academic who is also a staunch American nationalist) and all my dealing Hawaiian sovereignty folk have been online and usually hostile. This resulted in a bias that I should not have immediately assumed about you and I'll endeavor to lose it and give you a fair chance.

I still intend to edit a lot anonymously. This is my right and I appreciate being able to make changes without someone looking at my user contribution page and challenging all my edits. However, I will use this name when dealing with you. I'll go ahead and use for other purposes as well as there are some benefits to having a name.

I hope to work with you positively in the future. Emperor Otho 22:16, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I wish you luck in dealing with the German elections. Minority governments in a parliamentary system tend to suck and usually don't last long. They rarely benefit their countries. I am not sure what your role is but I wish you the best.

I am going to seek some changes in the Apology Resolution article and the Sanford Dole in the next week. I know you may not respond but I will try to be fair as I am not trying to exclude you view. I know if I am too out of it you wil revert me back to reality.  :]

Good luck in Germany. Emperor Otho 03:58, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Alliance 90/The Greens rendering

Hi, the problem seems to be some general bug in the Wikipedia rendering engine, not some wrong markup. I added a question to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). -- till we ☼☽ | Talk 22:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nice job on Legal status of Hawaii. --Viriditas | Talk 11:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Fools Crow

Hi. I saw that you had marked the article Frank Fools Crow for speedy deletion because it failed to assert his importance. I did a little checking, and he appears to be an important Native American Spiritual leader. He has a published bio, a lot of google hits, and was invited to offer a prayer before the US Senate in 1975. I have incorportaed some of this information into the article. Would you object to me removing the speedy delete tag? If you still feel he is non-notable, perhaps it could instead be listed at AfD? Thanks! TMS63112 18:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for removing the tag and helping with the clean-up! TMS63112 19:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New template

IslandGyrl, the "takeover was illegal and therefore should be reversed" school of thought is a minority position that has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being enacted. Many people will agree that the overthrow and the annexation were wrong -- however, a hundred years later, I don't think that there are even many Native Hawaiians who would give up their social security benefits in order to belong to a small island nation where they would STILL be a powerless minority.

Oh Zora, you never cease to amaze me, especially for someone in your position. A bit immature in your response I think. Besides, if you were really knowledgeable, you would know that nationality is not the same as ethnicity, therefore we are not talking about na 'oiwi only but those who arrived in the kingdom pre-U.S. occupation. 66.215.18.34 17:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The concept of "illegality" in international law has very little force as yet, and relying on it to convince people of the wrongness of the takeover is a back-assward position. Most people can easily be convinced that the annexation was unfair, if they learn more about the history, but they're not going to be convinced that it was "illegal".

The "illegality" position exists and should be described on Wikipedia, but it doesn't merit having an official-looking template on the main Hawaii page. Zora 23:54, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You are not behaving collegially on this matter. Your views are not being censored. I believe that they're discussed in the Hawaiian sovereignty article, which is prominently linked to the main Hawaii article. You are demanding extra attention and legitimacy for fringe political views. I did not see the discussion on the Hawaii Project page; I didn't even know that the page existed until you mentioned it. So I'm sorry you took silence there as consensus.
I went googling for polls re Hawaiian views on sovereignty and found this article in an April 2005 Star Bulletin. [1] Note this section:
Poll question: "There are over 100 federally funded programs for Hawaiians in the fields of health, education, employment, economic development and housing. Do you believe that these special programs should continue?"
Ninety-three percent of Hawaiians said yes, and 82 percent of non-Hawaiians also agreed that the programs should continue.
Clearly, 93% of Native Hawaiians would like to remain part of the U.S., however they may feel about becoming a scheduled tribe in addition. Given that any support for the theories of Kekuni Blaisdell ma would come from Native Hawaiians, the fact that 93% of them would NOT agree with him indicate that he represents an insignificant number of Hawaiians. Zora 12:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CP process

Hi. Your assistance in listing articles on WP:CP is appreciated but please ensure that you blank the articles as per the instructions. Please do so in the future as it not only prevents other users (including bots) from updating the suspected copyvio text but also makes it easier for the admins processing the article after 7 days. Thanks. RedWolf 22:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hawaii recent changes

FYI...the simplest way to keep up with new articles and changes to Hawai‘i-related articles is to bookmark Recent changes. This link is also listed on the "Open tasks for Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawai‘i". --Viriditas | Talk 00:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bundesland-level categories

Hello! I see you are listed in Category:Wikipedians in Germany. I have made subcategories for each Bundesland in case you would like to add yourself to the appropriate one. See Category:Wikipedians in Germany for a list of the subcategories (they use the English names, the same as their Wikipedia articles). --Angr (tɔk) 16:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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