User talk:Melesse

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Meelar (talk) 01:37, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

File:Diana Vickers - Songs from the Tainted Cherry Tree.jpg

Hi there, i see you have tagged File:Diana Vickers - Songs from the Tainted Cherry Tree.jpg for deletion. I just a quick question/concern regarding the tag.
It states the file is currently not being used, but the file is actually being used in an article but im not sure if it counts or not so i was wondering if you could answer that for me.
The article is Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Songs From The Tainted Cherry Tree, i have used it in this article because i am just starting the article while i am waiting for the undeletion of the article Songs From The Tainted Cherry Tree which is being discussed here : Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 April 21

Please reply. Thank you :) (CK...... (talk) 07:05, 23 April 2010 (UTC))

It was used in my drafting of the article (see my Sandbox). --Wiki-World is in town! (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

It's really up to whoever reviews the file on the day it's due to be deleted whether to keep it a little longer for the article to be created as opposed to being under construction in userspace. In the future, I suggest you hold off on uploading unfree images until the article is created, and use a placeholder image when you're building the article in your userspace. Melesse (talk) 21:11, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright, Thank You :) (CK...... (talk) 21:31, 23 April 2010 (UTC))

Images

Hi, I would very much like to know why my photos were deleted. They were properly licensed to the Wikipedia that I personally took. --AllyUnion (talk) 14:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know which photos you're referring to, but after a brief glance at your contributions I would guess it's because they're on Commons? Melesse (talk) 06:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of "File:Firemans chair knot in use.svg"?

Hello there. I have been unable to locate the discussion/rationale for the deletion of File:Firemans chair knot in use.svg so I'm commenting here. It was a derivative work of the properly licensed PNG version of the same image. The PNG page was properly linked to the (now deleted) SVG version and would have shown up on the "what links here" on the deleted image's page. I don't understand why deleting the derivative image was preferable to updating its licensing info from the original work? Perhaps I am missing something. Thanks. --Dfred (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

The creator of the derivative work has to establish the license, some other person can't just assume that the creator would want to use the same license as the original. Melesse (talk) 05:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

File:Wielder of Words.jpg no longer an orphan.

Hi, Melesse. The image File:Wielder of Words.jpg was deleted last month, since it was an orphan image. The original article I authored was deleted at the subject's and my request, which left the image orphaned. I would now like to add the image to another article I wrote and recently expanded, Donna J. Stone. As you may notice from the article's discussion page and my talk page, any potential copyright issues with the article have been resolved. The image is of a book of poetry, authored by the late Donna J. Stone and edited by her son, Dr. Christopher Stone, who holds the copyright to the book. In the rationale for using the image in its original article (which was about Dr. Stone), which is no longer on the site but I would think you have access to, I included permission from Dr. Stone to use the image. (The image is widely available anyway.) So could you tell me if and how I can add the image to Ms. Stone's article? Thanks a lot! Mary Ann --Mah Jong (talk) 05:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Since you got permission from the copyright holder, I would suggest you forward that message to the OTRS system so that it's using a free license rather than a fair use one (because fair use pictures of books in authors' articles are typically considered to be replaceable fair use and are subsequently deleted). Melesse (talk) 20:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure Dr. Stone would send an email to OTRS granting permission to use the image. The book cover image has been published on the internet and elsewhere several times. I can email him about a free license, but I'm not sure he'd agree to that. Fair Use seems to me to be applicable, since the book has been out of print for several years and copies are pretty rare. I'm not a copyright expert or anything, but I'm a literary historian and can safely say that the image is not readily replaceable. As he wrote me regarding his mother's picture (which, of course, is not replaceble since she died and it was apparently the only picture she allowed to be used), that photo has been reproduced hundreds if not thousands of times, before and after Al Gore invented tne internet. :) He freely gives permission, but under Fair Use because, to quote, "I don't want someone drawing a moustache on my mother." I'm sure the book cover image hasn't been reproduced nearly as many times as Ms. Stone's picture, and who draws facial hair on book covers? But I suspect he'll want to stick to Fair Use, which didn't seem to be a problem at the time. So, if Dr. Stone writes a permission email to OTRS, and includes whatever text you think would keep it from getting deleted (short of using a free license), would I be able to post the image on Ms. Stone's article with at least reasonable likelihood that it woudn't be deleted in the future (as long as it's not orphaned again)? Thanks again for reading my long message! --Mah Jong (talk) 08:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Um, Wikipedia doesn't require permission to use fair use images, they just want a good rationale. For the case of a photo of Donna J Stone, that's no problem since she's deceased. In the case of her books, it's trickier. One of the rules of fair use images is that the image will aid in a reader's understanding of the subject, so unless you're referencing the design of the cover or something that really requires a visual aid, that's not the case, and the book cover would just be decorative and therefore not allowed. Melesse (talk) 21:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I understand. No, the book image is not essential to the article. I just wanted to add it, to make the article more visually complete. But, as you say, I suppose it could be considered decorative -- it's not necessary to the article, so I'll just leave it out. If I end up writing an article about the book itself, then it would be more salient and I'll write you back. Thanks for your patience and information. I'm slowly becoming more familiar with Wikipedia and copyright policies. Have a good week! --Mah Jong (talk) 03:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

File:TMSFLogo.png‎ no longer an orphan.

Sorry, I first uploaded the image then finished off the page. I've saved the page right now... it's now associated with the TMSF page.

Best Regards Mtyilmaz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtyilmaz (talk • contribs) 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)