Talk:Black bloc

Anarchist Group

I am removing the sentence "The Black Bloc" is sometimes incorrectly reported as being the name of a specific anarchist group. It is, rather, a tactic that may be adopted by groups of various motivations and methods." because it is incorrect. World leaders condem the group and say they are anarchists. Also, the picture has the symbol to back me up. --Striker1057 (talk) 13:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Please don't remove cited material. --FOo (talk) 20:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Government or Marketing Company Origin

I was wondering about the origin of this Black Bloc. I've never heard of it before, and the media seem to know all about it. It is suddenly mentioned around the g20, and the suspiciously agent provocateur looking tactics. So, I looked up the origins of this article, and it was started by an author at IP address 142.177.114.85, belonging to Stentor National Integrated Communications Network, 110 O'Connor St., Floor 3, Ottawa. 4 blocks from Parliament Buildings, and in the middle of a lot of Canadian Government offices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.25.120 (talk) 08:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I did a quick Google search on the company, and it appears that despite what it looks like, it's apparently innocuous: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/419909.html

So no worries there. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the link you provide says: "The IP address further resolves to military-family-resource-center.ns.vibe.net" I find that suspicious rather than innocuous... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.25.120 (talk) 04:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Read further. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Police vehicles attacked

Also, youi may add, at least one police vehicle was damaged in the Toronto G20 Riots —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjohnson1234 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• More like 5 or more Police cars burned and Zanzibar, Toronto's famous strip club was attacked. 99.229.19.99 (talk) 17:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

These were police officers staging this event for an excuse to arrest protesters. If police false flags deserve mention in this article is debatable. Perhaps a section on police provocateurs is warranted in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.202.96.47 (talk) 19:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Only if reliable sources are offered. Drmies (talk) 19:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

There's now a new article: 2010 G-20 Toronto summit protests, and the above is mentioned in its discussion page.205.189.194.208 (talk) 21:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

"creating a clear revolutionary presence."

BARF! NPOV NPOV NPOV NPOV citation needed. Who (outside "the movement") even knows what this means? This article is total crap and an egomaniacal abuse of Wikipedia. I've run the streets masked/'blocked' up before, but I don't agree with publishing your zine on Wikipedia, as has been done here. --98.118.86.16 (talk) 03:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Changed it to say they create the illusion of a larger group (of anarchists). Most edits to this page took place before the summit, and it was placed into lockdown to prevent ranting and raving. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 16:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

definition of the term

The people who were arrested in Toronto last week might disagree with the author's definition of the Black Bloc as a tactic rather than as an organised group with coherent aims. Many of those who were protesting openly told reporters, spectators and police that they "belonged to" or were "members of" something called the Black Bloc, a group they believed actually existed and whose goals and ideals they were willing to fight for. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, I'm simply saying that they are claiming to be members of a group which exists and has specific political aims. This is not irrelevant, since the existence of such a group would represent the most compelling argument in their FAVOUR that will be at the disposal of their legal defence when they come to trial. (Otherwise, they just broke shop windows, stole and destroyed thousands of dollars worth of property, and set things on fire.) I would love to be a fly on the wall the second they learn that their G20 comrades' official position is that the the Black Bloc doesn't exist.

If the author is correct and the phrase merely denotes a "blocking" tactic to be used during demonstrations, then why on earth are we not calling it the "Black Block"? The French word "bloc" means an organised group of people that represent a political faction. Mardiste (talk) 22:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

We're going to need a citation for that before we can act on that. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

On the contrary, SchuminWeb. What I'm saying is that we need a citation for the statement that the group of protestors who were arrested in Toronto who held very clear and well-defined political aims and ideals and who referred to themselves (repeatedly, in front of news cameras, and in writing) as "The Black Bloc" does NOT in fact actually exist. Mardiste (talk) 21:42, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

So we're in agreement - we need citations before we can act on any of it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

It seems that there are two quite different things going on here: the Black Bloc as tactic and now the suggestion that some people have created a group which they call the Black Bloc. I suppose this is a bit similar to the way the fascists used the word for peasant co-ops and industrial workers unions for the name of their organisation of street fighters.Harrypotter (talk) 07:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Agent Provocateur

No matter what SchuminWeb says, The black block are agent provocateurs.