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State atheism needs a reassessment of its Importance level, as it has little to do with atheism and is instead an article about anti-theist/anti-religious actions of governments.
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Spiritual atheism and rationalistic churches

granted you mean well with an intro, could we imply these are ideologies as opposed to atheists being religious or spritual? Perhaps we could include humanism and materialism, etc. Just a thought? Somerset219 02:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hm.. after some thought, I guess you could add another section in this article about Ideologies that involve atheism.... or maybe atheism and other belief systems. Monkey Brain_(untalk) 03:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good! Somerset219 09:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where do things like the Religion of Humanity, Church of Humanity, Universal Humanism, and Fellowship of Reason fit?--T. Anthony (talk) 20:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics

Well, I started a section on non-religious ideologies. It would be really splufty if there were some statistics about adherents to those philosophies. For that matter, it would be nice to have stats on overlap between atheists and religiousness, if there are any surveys which have data showing people declaring themselves to be religious and atheistic. -- Beland 19:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Point of this page

I'd like to know the point of this page before I make any major edits. What can be achieved here that can't be done on each religion's respective pages? 139.102.241.40 00:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's basically a reference article. What can be done on a list article that can't be done on each item's page? Nothing, of course, but they're still useful. This is like a short list with expanded content UndZiggy 01:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

The Christianity section, at least, seems pretty obviously biased against Christianity. I'd rewrite it, but I'm afraid I'd only move the bias around, not actually remove it. Perhaps we could get a Christian, agnostic, or particularly level-headed atheist to rewrite it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UndZiggy (talk • contribs) 02:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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"Marxism tends to be atheistic because of Marx's philosophy of nature that matter comes first and mind comes second, there is no design and this is all an accident. Marx even argued that "Religion is the opium of the masses", that it was used by the bourgeoisie to control the people. The Communist parties in the Communist countries only allowed atheists into their party, in fact some went far by persecuting religions, like Albania under Enver Hoxha where it was declared the world's first atheist state. However, the Communist party in Cuba, since 1991, has allowed theists and people of all other religions into their party."

This needs to be re-written, seriously —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.130.128 (talk) 01:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? AzureFury (talk | contribs) 15:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scientology

The first sentence in the Scientology section is noteworthy in relation to large or well known atheistic "religions", however the latter part is completely pointless in relation to the article. The recognition or objection to the idea or belief in a "soul" has no place in relation to atheism. The section addresses it as if the concept of a "soul" as Scientologists would understand it somehow creates a vagueness or debate whether or not Scientology is atheistic at it's core.

Scientology claims to accept all faiths, even those believing in a higher power. However it flatly rejects the existence of any higher power. In fact specifically claiming that the belief in a higher power, God, god, gods and deities are the result of "brainwashing" and are in fact false, put there in order to blah blah blah, so on and so forth.

I'm removing the latter and suggesting someone else re-write it, or merge it into another section, so it doesn't remain a space taking blurb. 203.206.17.120 (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC) Sutter Cane[reply]

Krishnadas Kaviraja Goswami described in Chaitanya-charitamrita Adi 6.38:

‘chaitanya-mangala’ shune yadi pashandi, yavana

seha maha-vaishnava haya tatakshana

If even a great atheist hears Shri Chaitanya-mangala (previous name for Shri Chaitanya-bhagavata), he immediately becomes a great devotee.

So all the great atheists which comprise of 99.99% of the world’s population can become maha-vaishnavas if they get the supreme good fortune of reading this book. Thus in my personal opinion, when this book is published and distributed in mass quantities all over the world, it will break open the gates of the flood of the love of Godhead brought by Lord Chaitanya and His associates and will hasten the advent of the predicted Golden Age in all its glory.