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Rosy Cross Origins

Why no inclusion of the origins of the Rosy Cross? The Rosy Cross degree was established by Robert the Bruce in 1314 following the Battle of Bannockburn.

Merger

This page is almost exactly the same as Rose-Cross, although that page has a slightly better perspective on the origins from the Rosicrucians, which this page seriously lacks. However, since the subject of these two articles is essentially the same, these pages should be merged. --Jackhorkheimer 05:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no i disagree - the rose cross and the rosey cross lamen as shown are two totally different items.

The rose cross is a christian symbol created to represent the rosicrucians as previously mentioned.

The rosey cross is a a lamen used my several magical traditions including the \Golden Dawn and even Wicca, but which actually predates christianity.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsrosecross.htm

but which actually predates christianity

I'd seriously dispute the veracity of that claim. What prooof is there?

Nuttyskin (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I say do the merge. The Rose-Cross and the Rosy-Cross are pretty much the same. One may make a distinction saying one is a drawing while one is a lamen (or pendant) but both are emblems of those persons who call themselves Rosicrucians. Eyes down, human. 03:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do not merge. As already stated above by 82.21.109.76, this Rosy Cross article here, although about organizations linking themselves to the Rosicrucian tradition, is not describing the same symbol of the hermetic-Christian tradition that the Rose Cross article refers to. --Lusitanian 00:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I vote for of the merge. Even the above link seems to confirm that the rosy cross used by the Golden Dawn is closely related enough to the Rosicrucian symbol to be covered in the same article. Frankly, the assertion that one predates Christianity strikes me as POV. Of course, I'd be willing to reconsider if someone more knowledgeable presents better evidence. Lusanaherandraton (talk) 00:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While the article Rosicrucianism presents an historical, legendary and philosophical view of the Rosicrucian Tradition as a whole; this article Rosy Cross is presenting specific details about a few modern groups, already identified in the article-section Rosicrucianism#Para-Masonic groups, akin to the red cross "stream". From my point of view, these specific views should be inserted in the existing articles related to each modern group; since the article Rose Cross already mentions the distinction of the white and red cross within the Rosicrucian tradition.--195.23.163.8 (talk) 02:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]