Talk:New York Cosmos (2010)

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New page, or same?

Can we look for some consensus here? I'm thinking that the new Cosmos are an actual continuation of the original club, since there is an unbroken chain of ownership. This isn't a new organization trying to revive an old brand. Actually, the Cosmos now are in the same business they've been in since 1985 - youth soccer. I'm not sure this warrants separate pages. Thoughts? SixFourThree (talk) 14:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

There is a definite break between the original and modern day Cosmos. The only unbroken chain of ownership here is the ownership to a brand name - not a soccer team. The NASL Cosmos as a professional soccer organization did cease to exist. Just because the Cosmos name's owner continued using the brand for soccer camps does not mean the original soccer club lived on. The brand's rights have now been sold to a group wishing to establish its own organization from scratch. This new team bought a name but that is the only common ground the old and new share.--99.191.40.194 (talk) 03:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Cosmos ceased operations as a professional soccer club in 1985. Just because there have been soccer camps going by the new "Cosmos" since then does not mean that the current team is a continuation of the old club. Sure, it can recognize the old Cosmos as part of its heritage, but it is a new team. The current San Diego Sockers of the PASL-Pro have all the championship banners of the old club and recognize the heritage of the old club (they even purchased the logo and name of the old club), but they are a new team. The same should go for the Cosmos. Keep the pages the way they are: One for the old club, one for the new club. KitHutch (talk) 21:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, but the original Cosmos organization didn't actually fold, as the Sockers did. It ceased some of its operations (the mens team), but others continued. It maintained an office, and remained an ongoing legal entity (which was what the new owners bought). The Sockers actually ceased operations and there were years when they didn't operate at all. Doesn't seem quite the same to me. SixFourThree (talk) 21:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Other keeping the trademark active, the Cosmos were dormant since the indoor team folded. Kemsley's group is an entirely new organization. Cmjc80 (talk) 00:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the Cosmos played a series of exhibition games in 1985 after the indoor team folded, but nothing since. "Maintaining an office" means giving Pinton a room to sit in while he tried to get numerous people to buy a name and logo! KitHutch (talk) 02:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm no fan of Pinton, I don't think that's actually true. He administered the Cosmos' youth soccer camps, part of the original organization (which was more than just a football team). There's an unbroken chain which leads right to Kemsley. SixFourThree (talk) 21:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)SixFourThree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.235.25.127 (talk) [reply]

This article is about a sports organization mainly recognized by it's professional football/soccer team. However even when this team was disolved in 1985 the organization under the name New York Cosmos kept participating in other activities as promoting youth soccer camps. Now they have re-founded the team only. Not the club or the organization itself, just the team. Even if you want to consider that the Cosmos ceased to exist there is the case of AFC Fiorentina whose article says: "The italian club was relegated at the end of the 2001–02 season and went into judicially controlled administration in June 2002. This form of bankruptcy (sports companies cannot exactly fail in this way in Italy, but they can suffer a similar procedure) meant that the club was refused a place in Serie B for the 2002–03 season, and as a result effectively ceased to exist." Then it follows "The club was promptly re-established in August 2002 as Associazione Calcio Fiorentina e Florentia Viola with shoe and leather entrepreneur Diego Della Valle as new owner, and was admitted into Serie C2, the fourth tier of Italian football. The only player to remain at the club in its new incarnation was Angelo Di Livio, whose commitment to club's cause further endeared him to the fans. Helped by Di Livio and 30-goal striker Christian Riganò, the club won its Serie C2 group with considerable ease, which would normally have led to a promotion to Serie C1. However, due to the bizarre Caso Catania (Catania Case) the club skipped Serie C1 and was admitted into Serie B, something that was only made possible by the Italian Football Federation's decision to resolve the Catania situation by increasing the number of teams in Serie B from 20 to 24 and promoting Fiorentina for "sports merits". In the 2003 off-season, the club also bought back the right to use the Fiorentina name and the famous shirt design, and re-incorporated itself as ACF Fiorentina". As you can see the "Fiorenina" keeps it's history, it's legacy and all the honors that the club achieved through it's history. Why can't be the same with the Cosmos? --Locopunkie (talk) 22:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]