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Template:AFL Brownlow Medallists

Please see the issue above first.

Now, along the same lines, I propose that Template:AFL Brownlow Medallists be renamed Template:Brownlow Medal winners. A few thoughts:

  • For most of its history, it was the VFL, not the AFL.
  • 'AFL' is not and has never been part of the name of the award. In fact, on the original trophy, the VFL logo was present.
  • There is no other type of Brownlow Medal.
  • It is actually the Chas Brownlow Trophy, not the Brownlow Medal. Because it is universally known as the Brownlow Medal, I think that the name 'Medal' should stay, but I feel that 'Medallist' is going too far.
  • 'Medallist' seems awkward to me. The winner should, by analogy, be called a 'trophyist', and that is not a word.
  • I also think that the present Template:Brownlow Medal is unsatisfactory, but we can deal with that some other time. - Richard Cavell (talk) 11:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested moves

Richard Cavell (talk) 03:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While we're at it, I noticed that top South Australian full-forward Fred Phillis is currently at Dennis Phillis, his birth name. Dennis Phillis gets 879 hits while Fred Phillis gets around 306,000. I might move him to Fred (which is what he calls himself) if no one objects. --Roisterer (talk) 04:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - they're all moved now. - Richard Cavell (talk) 04:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notability (again)

It seems like the infamous WP:ATHLETE is gone and WP:NSPORT has taken its place. Have a lot at the suggested wording at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Australian_rules_football and see if you agree, disagree or have any suggested improvements.The-Pope (talk) 13:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Season infobox

Hey, I've just tidied up the AFL club season infobox which was created by Allied45 last year. I think I've improved it enough that we should be using it on all team season articles (currently it's only on the Melbourne 2010 article). At the moment all the other articles are using the the soccer infobox and obviously it's not as useful to aussie rules articles. So unless anyone has any objections I'm going to start changing the infoboxes over in the next few days (or someone else can if they're feeling generous) and ask that if anyone starts a new club season article that they use the AFL infobox, not the soccer one. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 14:47, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work! I don't think I exactly succeeded in making this template... – Allied45 (talk) 08:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, maybe an image and caption field should be added. – Allied45 (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks :) Ok I've added image, image size and caption fields and updated the example. Take a look and tell me what you think. Jenks24 (talk) 12:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! Just how I envisioned it! – Allied45 (talk) 06:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Glad I could help. You did most of the work last year :) Jenks24 (talk) 06:49, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RFC On Differing Football Nomenclature

Hello, i'm looking for input from the Wikiprojects on all the Football codes so we can get a standardized wording for each brand of the sport. Doc Quintana (talk) 18:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

White as a club colour

I'm getting a bit tired of seeing white being added and deleted to the club colours section on club infoboxes. Given the prevalence of white based clash jumpers, this issue will not go away. So are club colours any and all colours that are on any non-one-off jumper; or are they only the traditional colours, ignoring white if it's only used in a clash jumper, text (Carlton?) or other minor details?The-Pope (talk) 15:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion it is only the traditional colours that should be considered the club colours, not whatever alternate colour may be on a clash jumper for that season. Concerning the article in question, to reiterate what I said on the talk page, when the official club website does not include white as one of the team colours, then neither should the article. Jenks24 (talk) 15:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I'm concerned the club colours are what the clubs say they are. Just because many clubs' clash jumpers include white this doesn't mean that white is somehow a crypto-"official" club colour. This really should be a "no brainer" as an issue. Afterwriting (talk) 15:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it's a no-brainer. The football clubs all have official colours. St Kildas' colours are red, white and black. Brisbane's are maroon, blue and gold, with no white. - Richard Cavell (talk) 14:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Shall we confirm the colours then:

  1. Adelaide: Blue, Gold, Red (not white);
  2. Brisbane: maroon, blue & gold (not white);
  3. Carlton: Navy blue (not white, baby blue nor yellow);
  4. Collingwood: who cares Black & white;
  5. Essendon: Red and black;
  6. Fremantle:Purple, Green, Red and White;
  7. Geelong: Blue and White;
  8. Hawthorn:Yellow and Brown (not white);
  9. Melbourne:Red and Blue (not white);
  10. North Melbourne: Blue and White;
  11. Port: Teal, silver, white? - honestly not sure anymore!;
  12. Richmond: Yellow and Black, coz we're from Tiiii...ger Yellow and Black coz were from Tigerland;
  13. St Kilda: Red, white and black (not yellow);
  14. Sydney: Red and White;
  15. Dogs:Red, White and Blue;
  16. Eagles: Yellow and blue (not Ochre nor white)
  17. Fitzroy: Red, yellow, blue

All agreed?The-Pope (talk) 15:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agree – but I think Port might have black as one of their colours. Jenks24 (talk) 15:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree - according to Aussie Rules: For Dummies (2nd edition, 2008) by Jim Main, which is claimed to be fact-checked by official sources, the official colours differ from your list in the following ways:
  1. Adelaide - red, navy blue, yellow.
  2. Brisbane - maroon, royal blue, yellow.
  3. Carlton - navy blue, white.
  4. Geelong - navy blue, white.
  5. Hawthorn - brown, gold.
  6. Kangaroos - royal blue, white.
  7. Melbourne - navy blue, red.
  8. Port Adelaide - teal, black, white.
  9. West Coast - royal blue, gold, white.

As to Fitzroy, see the article Fitzroy Football Club for a sourced explanation that the colours were most recently red and blue. - Richard Cavell (talk) 02:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Are boundary umpires notable?

I saw an article on Adam Coote this afternoon and the question above came to mind. What does this project think?

I think that field umpires in the AFL are definitely notable - they've achieved the top of their game in a nationwide competition that is very frequently documented. The field umpires are crucial to the outcome of the game, and their biases and emphases are well documented. (I'm not being insulting towards the umpires - I'm saying that a field umpire can consciously modify the strictness of his interpretation of the rules to encourage compliance, safety, etc). One retiring field umpire was given a lap of honour at the MCG last week. What is the relationship between boundary umpires' careers and field umpires' careers? Do they 'graduate' from boundary to field? If not, then I'd say that boundary umpires are not notable. Their decisions are trivial and rarely commentated upon.- Richard Cavell (talk) 08:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Generally I'd agree that they aren't notable. They generally don't move from boundary to field, they stay where they are. This one, with the multiple grand final appearances, multiple borderline reliable sources from associated associations or local papers, and the running side, may just be notable. The fact that it is well written, neutral POV and well referenced helps a lot, even though we all know that quality of article shouldn't affect notability... it is hard to totally ignore it.The-Pope (talk) 08:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New template for squads?

I've noticed that the St Kilda and Port Adelaide have a much better looking and more informative template (includes NSW scholarship players, senior and assistant coaches) in their wiki articles in comparison to other teams wikis. Do you think this template should be used for other clubs as well? Powerstiffs (talk) 12:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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