Talk:Latvian Riflemen

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Didn't the Polish Army also participate in the fights? [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 00:15, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Which fights? Andris 06:17, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Latvian red riflemen were also a part of the attempt to establish Soviet rule in Latvia in 1919, where they were defeated by the army of newly established Republic of Latvia which included some of the riflemen who did not side with bolsheviks. - the Polish Army fought side by side with the Latvians in, for instance, liberation of Daugavpils. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 23:34, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. I added a mention of Polish Army. I should also write a separate article with all the details on Latvian Independence War (which was actually between 3 parties: Latvians and allies (Poland, Estonia, British navy), Baltic-Germans and bolsheviks/red riflemen) sometime. Andris 09:06, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Just let me know when you start, I'm sure I could help. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 11:57, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

I started to work on the Polish-Bolshevik War and I thought we might cooperate, especially that one of the battles to be included is the battle for Daugavpils (January 3, 1920). Could you help? See Talk:Polish-Soviet_War#Featured-class_article for details. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 09:18, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Mapmaker needs help!

I need help! I'm currently preparing a set of maps for the Polish-Bolshevik War of 1919-1920, with the sites of the major battles and the frontlines marked. I would also like to include not only the frontlines of the Russo-Polish war, but also the frontlines of the Latvian and Estonian wars with Bolshevist Russia. Could anyone post a link to a map or description of the frontlines?

The maps I'm working on:

March 1919
December 1919
June 1920
August 1920

--Halibu tt 13:48, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

Relevance?

I removed the following text from the article as not being particularly relevant for the topic of the article:

In 1933, seven Communist members of the Latvian parliament were arrested. During the period of Kārlis Ulmanis' dictatorship in 1934-1940, many Communist and Socialist leaders (including most Socialist members of the Parliament) were arrested, and some were among the 400 high-profile citizens who were imprisoned in a concentration camp near the city of Liepaja.

Perhaps these details would fit better in Communist Party of Latvia? — Zalktis 06:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since quite a lot of Communists in Latvia were former Red Riflemen, I would say, it is relevant. While article does mention what happened to some Red Riflemen in USSR, there is hardly any mention of those who stayed in Latvia. As far as I know, quite a lot of them were executed during dictatorship of Ulmanis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.109.54.96 (talk) 19:38, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mass executions of arrested communists under Ulmanis? News to me. Do you have a WP:RS for that? —Zalktis (talk) 10:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

This very interesting article needs cleanup - needs "the" in many places, etc. --Ludvikus 14:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox in need of workover

The infobox is quite contradictory when it comes to "Patron", "Motto", "March" and "Battle honours" plus the fact, that the Latvian Riflemen initially were military formations assembled by the Russian Empire in 1915. There were also other Latvian Riflemen, but they are not mentioned in the infobox. ^Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\^Work 22:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is not contradictory. At the beginning, in the World War I, they were in service of Russia as just a military unit, later in 1917 they went to service of the Revolution - against the White movement. This is very logical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.60.227 (talk) 07:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, what you are saying is correct, but has nothing to do with my point. If I really have to spell it out loud, then Pēteris Stučka and Augusts Kirhenšteins could not have been the patrons of the Latvian Riflemen during the period of the Russian Empire, as well as the motto, march and battle honour does not fit the Russian Empire. The flag of the Russian Empire is in the infobox - ergo the contradiction. ^Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\^Work 16:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Split?

Aside from certain similarities in the nomenclature of the units, I don't think it's a good idea to include the WWII RKKA Latvian "riflemen" in this article, which was to do with the WWI/Russian Civil War Latvian Riflemen. Soviet historiography, e.g. the multi-volume commemorative works Reiz cēlās strēlnieks sarkanais..., tried to conflate the two ideas, with the WWII units being the historical/ideological successors to the Red Riflemen of the Civil War period. However, the scholarly literature in English (e.g. Geoffrey Swain, Stanley W. Page, Andrew Ezergailis) all deal solely to the WWI/Civil War Riflemen, while works on WWII in Latvia (like that by Valdis O. Lumans) make the connection in nomenclature, but in context of a deliberate PR policy on the part of the Soviets. Thus, I would say that lumping the two very different types of Latvian "strēlnieki" together in English Wikipedia is potentially confusing for the English-language user. For example, one might be puzzled as to how the frieze on the Freedom Monument (1935) could commemorate the WWII Riflemen? Or how indeed the Freedom Monument could commemorate those Red Riflemen who were also awarded the Red Banner, in part for their role in fighting aginst the Latvian state the Freedom Monument is supposed to celebrate? (Such questions are raised by the current confuguration of the infobox, IMO). Both the WWI and the WWII military formations are indeed notable, but should have separate articles, linked via disambiguation. —Zalktis (talk) 08:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-- I agree, the box needs fixing. The article is not exclusively about "Red Latvian Riflemen", but the box's references would lead one to think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmey.gorinich (talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the rationale for the split, as an english language user I was quite confused to see WW2 period mentioned. In english usage "Latvian Rifleman" always seems associated with the Russian revolution. --Martintg (talk) 05:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with split, would make far more sense.--Staberinde (talk) 16:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

XX corps

Article links to XX Corps disambiguation page. IMHO correct article is 20th Army Corps (Russian Empire) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.63.27.227 (talk) 10:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]