User talk:Dead Mary
Battle of Stalingrad
Hello. Sorry, I didn't see it was a redundant template. Romanian military actions in World War II in the Battle of Stalingrad article. Hard to keep up with all the latest rephrasing of list/templates etc. I was wrong to revert you after examining what you did. Please accept my apology. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 12:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well its ok, but why dont you change your revert back then? I removed the template now again. ;) StoneProphet (talk) 14:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- It's simpler for you to do it so the powers that be wont get upset. Sorry about that. I reverted an Administrator already and didn't want to get into a deeper pile than the one I am already in. I should just stick with writing new articles. hehe. Thanks man. You need something, give me a holler.
Cheers! Meishern (talk) 18:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Deletion discussion: Comparison between roman and han empires
Hello. You are invited to take part in the deletion discussion on the redirect Comparison between roman and han empires. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 02:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
POV
Kindly stop adding POV to the Somalia article. The CIA is very clear that Somalia has a healthy informal economy; it says so in the opening sentence of the economy section of the CIA Factbook: "Despite the lack of effective national governance, Somalia has maintained a healthy informal economy, largely based on livestock, remittance/money transfer companies, and telecommunications." The CIA also clearly explains that the civil war is happening in the southern parts of the country, not the autonomous northern Puntland and Somaliland regions, which are both actually doing quite well. Even in the south, business is healthy, as firms hire private security outfits for protection. All of this is already explained in the Economy of Somalia article, which for some strange reason you have chosen to ignore. Also note again that piracy (which has its origins in Puntland in the north, where there is not war, not the south) was not caused by the civil war in the south but by waste dumping & overfishing depriving local fishermen of their catches. Refer to the Piracy in Somalia article for the facts on that. Middayexpress (talk) 22:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- That may be all true, but i didnt removed those statements. My additions are not related to the informal economy part (which i didnt touched), the are related to the overall comparison of the somali economy to the other countries and here are the rankings clear: Somalia has one of the worst economys of the world and it _has_ a poverty problem. This should be inside. Your stated reasons for the piracy could be also perfectly summed up as "poverty". StoneProphet (talk) 22:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- No, the notion that "Somalia has one of the worst economys of the world and it _has_ a poverty problem" is your POV, and yours alone. The CIA source that you were distorting clearly states that, "Despite the lack of effective national governance, Somalia has maintained a healthy informal economy, largely based on livestock, remittance/money transfer companies, and telecommunications." And it does this in the relevant Economy section of the paper too. Nor is it the only source asserting this well-known fact, but just one of many. See the Economy of Somalia article for more, including this paper from the Wall Street Journal published just last month (note the reference to Somalia's "robust... private sector"). Again, stop with the POV. Middayexpress (talk) 23:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ok changed it again according to offial UN sources. I also didnt touched your other statements. StoneProphet (talk) 23:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, but that's where you messed up again. You see, the UN itself has recently come under fire for meddling in local politics, and for profiteering over the situation in southern Somalia and actually helping prolong and aggravate the conflict (e.g. 1, 2, 3). It is therefore hardly a reliable source on a conflict it itself helped (and is helping) aggravate and prolong. There are many such actors in the civil war, which is why an article such as Propaganda in the War in Somalia even exists. I suggest you give your schadenfreude a rest, and learn to accept facts. Middayexpress (talk) 00:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- Your first statement was from the same source, so it seems you regarded the UN as a reliable source as long as it fits in your POV. ;) Well your 2007 source doesnt change the fact that the UN _is_ regarded as a reliable source on wikipedia, so i revert it back. Stop your WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT and stop reverting sourced information. Dozens of UN sources + nearly all newspapers on the world (i could add 100s of newspaper articles on the humanitarian situaion in somalia) surly outwight a single 2007 article from a single private academic organization. Your POV of Somalia as a land of milk and honey is also still in the article, as i didnt touched it. I will also overlook your personal attack. StoneProphet (talk) 00:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT is not a policy; it's an essay. Only actual policies determine what is or isn't permitted on Wikipedia. WP:QS, WP:NOTADVOCATE and WP:CONFLICT, on the other hand, are all clear on the inadmissibility of sources directly tied to situations they are describing. And like it or not, that most certainly includes the UN. FYI, the UN was actually recently under investigation for this very issue, and found guilty of corruption. Refer to this Newsweek article where the UN itself admits in a leaked report to its negative involvement in the war in Somalia, specifically with regard to corruption by its own personnel and contractors. In case you hadn't noticed, I also replaced the UN source after your explanation with a more reliable, uninvolved one from the renowned Ludwig von Mises Institute. I'm sure you could indeed add hundreds of negative news-pieces from random journalists who cannot on their own conduct surveys of Somalia's economy, as could I in the other direction. However, none of those news articles would have the weight of the CIA, the World Bank, the Independent Institute and the Ludwig von Mises Institute (the latter of which specializes in economics, among other fields) -- authorities that, unlike the UN, are not involved in exacerbating the conflict in southern Somalia. And per WP:VER, "academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources where available." By the way, I've moved this discussion over to the Somalia article's talk page. Middayexpress (talk) 02:17, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- Your first statement was from the same source, so it seems you regarded the UN as a reliable source as long as it fits in your POV. ;) Well your 2007 source doesnt change the fact that the UN _is_ regarded as a reliable source on wikipedia, so i revert it back. Stop your WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT and stop reverting sourced information. Dozens of UN sources + nearly all newspapers on the world (i could add 100s of newspaper articles on the humanitarian situaion in somalia) surly outwight a single 2007 article from a single private academic organization. Your POV of Somalia as a land of milk and honey is also still in the article, as i didnt touched it. I will also overlook your personal attack. StoneProphet (talk) 00:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, but that's where you messed up again. You see, the UN itself has recently come under fire for meddling in local politics, and for profiteering over the situation in southern Somalia and actually helping prolong and aggravate the conflict (e.g. 1, 2, 3). It is therefore hardly a reliable source on a conflict it itself helped (and is helping) aggravate and prolong. There are many such actors in the civil war, which is why an article such as Propaganda in the War in Somalia even exists. I suggest you give your schadenfreude a rest, and learn to accept facts. Middayexpress (talk) 00:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ok changed it again according to offial UN sources. I also didnt touched your other statements. StoneProphet (talk) 23:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
- No, the notion that "Somalia has one of the worst economys of the world and it _has_ a poverty problem" is your POV, and yours alone. The CIA source that you were distorting clearly states that, "Despite the lack of effective national governance, Somalia has maintained a healthy informal economy, largely based on livestock, remittance/money transfer companies, and telecommunications." And it does this in the relevant Economy section of the paper too. Nor is it the only source asserting this well-known fact, but just one of many. See the Economy of Somalia article for more, including this paper from the Wall Street Journal published just last month (note the reference to Somalia's "robust... private sector"). Again, stop with the POV. Middayexpress (talk) 23:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
June 2010
It seems that you and your opponent have both broken WP:3RR at WP:AN3#User:Middayexpress reported by User:StoneProphet (Result: ). You may be able to avoid sanctions if you will promise not to make any further controversial changes between now and August 1 at Somalia without *first* obtaining a consensus for your change on the article's talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 19:24, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- It sounds to me that you are accepting the deal, which puts both you and Middayexpress under an editing restriction on Somalia which lasts until August 1. Per his talk page Midday will do the same. EdJohnston (talk) 20:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- I have closed the 3RR case as 'Restricted' now that I perceive both you and Middayexpress have accepted the temporary editing restriction at Somalia, which will last until August 1. EdJohnston (talk) 01:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- This revert is hard to understand if the content is truly not controversial. Blocks are possible if people do not take the restriction seriously. it would be better to propose your change first on talk, to see if anyone objects. EdJohnston (talk) 02:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Well this is not about controversy, Middayexpress generally reverts the article if a foreign editor adds something, which i already pointed out in the 3rr case. He is doing this because he dont likes plain standard-facts which are in every country article in wikipedia (GDP numbers, death rates etc.), because they sound too negative for him. He only tolerates such facts if he can put it in a positve context, e.g. "has improved over the last years" and such things.
As i wrote on the talkpage he admitted himself that the health section need some work. He also said nothing when i proposed to add some factual numbers like the infant mortality rate. Because other editors had the same opinion, i actually added it. Nothing controversial in here. I also had good reasons to add it, because it makes no sense to add a statement like "Somalia was one of only three countries in Africa to increase its life expectancy by five years." without mentioning the _real_ life expectancy (which is still quite low and so he reverted it). Nevertheless he reverted it, only to readd it 30 mins later again into the text (which clearly shows its not controversial), but now in a more positive light. Just read the Somalia talkpage then you see my reasons. And finally: look on the diff, do you really think this is a controversial edit? ;) StoneProphet (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)- Anything that you and Middayexpress disagree about should be considered controversial. If you propose changes on the talk page first, before making them, and wait for responses, you could avoid this entire problem. Consider opening up a WP:Request for comment if the two of you can't come to an agreement on the talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I did indeed proposed changes on the talkpage, changes which other editors agreed on and Middayexpress did not disagreed with them. His only statements about my proposals were that he agrees that the health section need some changes too. The matter is anyway over, Middayexpress edited the article to his own version (including those facts i added before and he reverted soon after), ofc without seeking any consenus (so maybe you should post the same on his talkpage too?). But i dont care anymore because i leave this article now anyway, since it is impossible to improve it as long as Middayexpress reigns over it. StoneProphet (talk) 17:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Anything that you and Middayexpress disagree about should be considered controversial. If you propose changes on the talk page first, before making them, and wait for responses, you could avoid this entire problem. Consider opening up a WP:Request for comment if the two of you can't come to an agreement on the talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Well this is not about controversy, Middayexpress generally reverts the article if a foreign editor adds something, which i already pointed out in the 3rr case. He is doing this because he dont likes plain standard-facts which are in every country article in wikipedia (GDP numbers, death rates etc.), because they sound too negative for him. He only tolerates such facts if he can put it in a positve context, e.g. "has improved over the last years" and such things.
- This revert is hard to understand if the content is truly not controversial. Blocks are possible if people do not take the restriction seriously. it would be better to propose your change first on talk, to see if anyone objects. EdJohnston (talk) 02:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- I have closed the 3RR case as 'Restricted' now that I perceive both you and Middayexpress have accepted the temporary editing restriction at Somalia, which will last until August 1. EdJohnston (talk) 01:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
consensus with the proposed edit
Please take a look at the edits I made on the List of conspiracy theories article to see if you agree with the edit or do not agree with the edit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories The comments are here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_conspiracy_theories&action=history More info on the subject is on my channel here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:64.120.47.10 The start of all this was to correct a untruth here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories#Water_fluoridation Where the article says have found no association with adverse effects. The 2 sources I cited that challenge that are http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11571#toc and http://ncseonline.org/NLE/CRSreports/08Mar/RL33280.pdf Please post on my channel if you agree and are in consensus with the proposed edit or not in consensus. The proposed edit is this. The 2006 National Research Council's report Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards and the 2008 CRS Report for Congress Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Review of Fluoridation and Regulation Issues did find associations to adverse health effects with fluoride in drinking water.[54] [55] This can be seen here in the water fluoridation section.http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_conspiracy_theories&oldid=40471025 Please disregard claims that may arise that I am blocked in this effort to seek consensus with the proposed edit as I am not blocked.