Talk:Oldest people

Females

Is there any reason at all why there is an "Oldest Men in history" but no "Oldest women in history"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Holmes II (talk • contribs) 05:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes--nearly all of the Oldest are women, so a list of women only would be mostly redundant. Ma^t_chups 13:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a copout remark. Perhaps an addendum should be added so that the top ten women are included without adding an entire new list? Or tables made for the women also? Seems only fair, even if redundant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.168.113 (talk) 22:34, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Poland, Hungary, Romania, etc.

The current practice is inconsistent. You want to list Rosa Rein as born in Poland but she never lived there when it was Poland. When she was born and lived there it was part of the German Empire. But Elizabeth Stefan is listed as born in Hungary and her place of birth is today in Romania. Maria Mika was born in today Czech Republic, btw. --Statistician (talk) 10:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, you should report Venere Pizzinato born in Austria, Anne Primout in France, Consuelo Moreno in Spain etc. We have to use just one criterion in the same table, not two criteria case by case. Anyway the table is abour recordholders of current countries. Ok, you're right about Mika and Stefan.--Pascar (talk) 13:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

That's why I really think we should list them by country of death, rather than by country of birth. We are talking about people who were born at least 110 years ago. At that time it was a completely different world. Luckily we do not have much data from Africa. Think of Africa in the 19th century... Fbarioli (talk) 15:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You're right, lists by country of death (country where they were doyens) should be better.--Pascar (talk) 08:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I also think that a list of country of death would be easier. Sometime ago we had this list and a list for oldest immigrant counted by the place where they where born (status of nation when they where born). I don't know why this was changed.
Btw.: It's a different if we look at historical nations and and compare areas of different structures. Austria-Hungary had separate areas such as Bohemia, which founded after the dissolution of the monarchy with other areas new countries, while in others areas were simply annexed (eg Poland lost its eastern areas after World War 2). Btw. [2]: Leopold Vietoris (110y/309d, 04.06.1891-09.04.2002) is the oldest person porn in today austria. --Statistician (talk) 11:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The first column needs to be titled "Country of death". Emigrants/Immigrants need notes under the section saying where they were born (and what place their birth place was).

And where did this person named Uktam Karimov come from? He isn't on Epstein's list, and I couldn't locate him on the GRG. Is he on International Database on Longevity. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Addendum

Maybe this was discussed already in the past, but I was wondering if we really need to have an Addendum for each list. I may be wrong, but as far as I remember, disputed cases are claims accepted as true, for which a subsequent research raised some doubts. Until there is evidence that a previously accepted claim is false, though, the claim should be accepted as true, that is, no Addendum is due. Thus, having an Addendum seems to me a way to 'partially remove' claims that GRG and the others still accept, and this may not be within Wikipedia policies. I would appreciate some discussion on this issue. Thanks for your comments. Fbarioli (talk) 17:11, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

115 years old woman died in Greece

Do we need to add this here? I can help with translation. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Unreliable. Where are the documents? "A supercentenarian is considered verified if his or her age has been verified by an international body that specifically deals in longevity research." Brendan (talk, contribs) 08:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if you can give a translation we might be able to find something. Do you know if there are records from the Greek government or some other body? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, her name was Angeliki Vourna (Greek: Αγγελική Βουρνά), she was from Filia (Φίλια) village in Messenia. She had 38 grandchildren, great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren. This newspaper mentions she had 9 children of which 6 are still alive, amongst them her two daughters 75 and 80 years old with whom she lived together. The rest are some info about how her life was and how she used to work till the end and so on. I'm sorry but nothing like official records or alike... A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

So she would be 35 at the birth of her oldest daughter. This is possible but looks a little bit high for the first child. Do you want to help validating and debunking SC-claimes from Greece? Then you can send me an email (you can find my adress under No. 9): http://www.grg.org/correspondents.html --Statistician (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Sure, that would be interesting. However sources don't mention that her 80 year old daughter was her first child, only that she lived with them two.I will mail you. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 13:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Izumi Shigechiyo

Shouldn`t we delete him? "Shigechiyo Izumi(120 years,237 days,June 29,1865-February 21,1986) appeared as oldest living person in the 1979 edition of Guinness and oldest person ever every year from 1980 to 1996,and usually thereafter as oldest man ever.However,his Guinness authentication has been largely discounted by scholars (including the one who brought him to their attention) despite Japanese authorities continuing to assert his authenticity.In the 2011 edition his recognition was effectively retracted." http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/oldest.html

New list: http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/oldest.html#3 --Statistician (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

If he is to be deleted from the list there should be a note about him somewhere otherwise users will keep asking where he is if not just going ahead and adding him back in. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 00:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

We need to have a discussion on this. It seems clear that his claim has been dismissed by the authorities who once verified his claim. He should therefore be taken off the lists he currently heads. And that should be done sooner, not later.

I have a suggestion here - we could have a small list of now-dismissed claims, which would have Izumi, Joubert, etc. Canada Jack (talk) 15:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree to delete him ASAP, if the reference Statistician gave above is considered reliable. We may add him as a dismissed claim for some time, until people get used to him not being on the list. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

frank buckles

after febuary 1st frank buckles will be mentioned in this artical after he turns 110 and is part of the men over 110 list that is on this artical. this man is the last surviving world war 1 vetern. 69.208.10.149 (talk) 16:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)