Talk:Maine

Any word on Maine taxes, highest in the US, and what it's doing to jobs and folks moving away?

Wondering how to change the list of major cities at the bottom...Brunswick should be in there.

I never liked France much.............

Wondering how to edit this State Entry?
The WikiProject U.S. States standards might help.

Should this be "State of Maine"? What if we want to discuss the French province of Maine? -- Zoe

I've never heard of the French province simply called "Maine" before. I've heard it as "Maine-et-Loire" (whatever that means). Maine (US State) is just known as Maine and if it is moved then the person moving it would have to fix all the mis-directed links. My gut feeling is that the US state is the most well known "Maine" in the English language and therefore the US State article should remain where it is with the French province Maine-et-Loire linked at the bottom of the article. --maveric149

Works for me. -- Zoe

Cool --maveric149

You're actually confusing the current French department of Maine-et-Loire with the historic Maine (province of France), though I think your general point is valid. Funnyhat 00:08, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like this change, thanks, maveric. -- Zoe

No problem. --maveric149

The Maine, in France, is - like the Loire - a river. But I guess it could be under Maine river/River then (unless there's one in the US as well. jheijmans

There is no "Maine River" in Maine AFAIK. I live here, and have never heard of it. Might be one out-of-state though. Rlee0001 11:59 Oct 12, 2002 (UTC)

Maine should be a disambiguation page

I think there are 3 more "Maine" besides the State so the page Maine should be a disambiguation page and the page of the state should be named Maine (US State).

The other three are at the bottom of the Maine page.

I know this can sound controversial to the natives of Maine, but they are not the only with that name in the world.

Did you check "What links here"? How many of them refer to anything other than the state? Very few, if any. RickK 04:33, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I second that. If Maine were a current administrative district of France, it might be different, but it is purely historical at this point. There should be disambiguation page perhaps, as Maine (disambiguation), but the default should definitely go to the U.S. state. -- Decumanus 04:35, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I third that. jengod 06:27, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)

REVERSION OF LINKS FOR STYLISTIC REASONS

I reverted the three links in the attribution of the Millay quote. The quote is supposed to embellish and amplify the subject of the text. When three hyperlinks in color are placed so close, you get the text calling attention to to the quote - the exact opposite of the intended style. There are other places in the article where the items in the attribution can be discussed in their own right as full stand-alone subjects, if that is what is desired. -JN

I'm afraid your changes have made the quote material stand out even more than before. I am reverting back to the previous formatting. older≠wiser 16:29, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

I agree about the formatting but not the link. Although one link is less eye-cluttering than three at this point, I would like to see none. If one is nevertheless for some reason desired, I would recommend a good external link, which I can provide. The Wikipedia article on Millay is, frankly, pretty poor quality. I can give the reasons for that assessment if you desire an extended discussion of literary criticism, although-as the point in this section is trying to convey- the interest should here be on Maine and not literature. I will post two revisions- one without the link and one with a high quality link. Choose which one you like - JN

Whatever the current quality of the Millay article, it is Wikipedia practice to prefer internal links over external links. Articles only get improved as people see them and decide to edit. As for whether Millay should be linked at all here, I don't particularly care all that much, but as many people will not know who Millay is, the link is helpful in this context. older≠wiser 19:07, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

First, Baloney. If "It's Wikipedia policy", show me the policy. Second, most encyclopedia readers wouldn't know who Edna St. Vincent Millay is? Cut it out. If you think people know that little about literature, you should be sticking to geography topics, which is fine with me. JN

Read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links) carefully please. Especially the section Position in article. In an otherwise unrelated article, it is ALWAYS better use an in-line link to an internal article rather than an external site. As for your second point, I did NOT say "most encyclopedia readers wouldn't know" who Millay was. I said "many" and it is a very faulty assumption to presume that people reading an article on Maine would necessarily know who she is. As for your final comment, I suggest you read Wikipedia:Civility very carefully. Since you seem to have such an interest in Millay, why don't you improve the article instead of excising links to it? older≠wiser 19:33, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

Easternmost state

This is pretty pedantic, but I'm a geek, so...

This article calls Maine the easternmost state. Thing is, if you look on a map, a few of Alaska's Aleutian islands are actually across the border into the eastern hemisphere - so technically, shouldn't that make Alaska, rather than Maine, the easternmost state?

I agree. In a lecture for a geography class Im taking, the teacher just talked about how Alaska is the most western, eastern, and northern state. (Hawaii being the most southern.) Maine is not the easternmost state.

Easternmost state in the Western Hemisphere... how's that sound? NightThree 01:54, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Disagree - When discussing a nation, state, city, etc. terms such as easternmost are relative to the whole of the nation, state, city, etc. It really has nothing to do with hemispheres which are only names given to halves on the globe. The fact that a nation is in two or more hemispheres has no bearing on which end of that country is furthest in a particular direction.

Border of Massachusetts vs Nova Scotia during revolutionary war.

I hesitated to edit the article because, hey, I am Canadian, and it could come across as a POV edit.

Here is what I know: the border between Maine and New Brunswick and Quebec was a matter of dispute until the early 1900s. Northern Maine was occupied during the war of 1812 by British forces, partially under the pretext that the Brits had a right to be there. Like most royal charters the Nova Scotia charter of 1624 gave NS rights from something like Virginia to Labrador... ;).

Here is what I suspect. I think that the border was ill defined. In the novel "His Majesties Yankees" historian Thomas Raddall writes that the "Machias Men" considered themselves and were considered to be in Nova Scotia, and that Nova Scotia settlements beyond Cumberland were at the river mouths of Saint John and Machias.

Back to fact: Now this is of course mitigated by the fact that most settlers in the south shore and Fundy area of Nova Scotia at the outset of the 1776 war were actually settlers from Massachusetts, and some other New England states (fisher folk were happy to move to Nova Scotia after the French were defeated, and be that much closer to the fishing... apparently entire houses were disassembled in Glouster, MA and moved over to Liverpool NS.) So Machias men could be BOTH Nova Scotia men and Massachussets men.

I am going to try and research this and come back with more facts but I am wondering if anyone has any insight, and if I can provide references, would there be objections to a slight (two to three line) edit to the history of Maine?

www.maine.gov has a good rendition of the border dispute.AFethke 17:52, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I will turn my hand to this this evening.... WayeMason 18:23, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I did some research. County Sunbury, who knew it even had a name and a capital, if oyu can call the occasional visit by a magistrate to campebello a capital. Hope this meets your your approval, I am going to insert something similar into the Nova Scotia page. WayeMason 19:15, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

YayAFethke 21:45, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Other border disputes

Maine doesn't have the only border dispute in the US, but maybe it is the only "land" border dispute. There are maritime disputes between the US and Canada in the Alaska-British Columbia-Washington area, which actually led to a confrontation in the 90's (?) involving a fishing boat and boats from both the Canadian and US coast guards.