Talk:Rihanna albums discography

Dead links

A number of dead and redirect links now infect the article. Concerned editors please take up the issue as per the Checklinks tool as the article is a FL. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

GGGB Live

I have been fixing some dead links, and according to Billboard, Good Girl Gone Bad Live never charted. Can someone enlighten me as to why there is a #6 in the list? Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

All I can do is point you to its addition at 17:13, 26 February 2009 by Matthewedwards. Despite the alpha-reordering of the countries, the numbers haven't changed since then (momentary vandalism excepted). I know diddly about DVD charts, but I'm guessing we'll have to go to (Google-ized archives of) Billboard paper magazines for a usable ref. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 11:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

It was no. 10 (up from 18) in its 19th week shown in the 2009-03-07 issue. It'd be nice to see the 2009-03-14 issue, or at least the 2009-03-21 issue, to see if it was really trending upwards or had already had its day. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 11:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

From the 2009-03-14 issue and my search results, I get the impression that maybe Top Music Videos isn't/wasn't printed every week.

Page 48 of the 2009-03-21 issue includes the Top Music Videos chart, but GGGB Live isn't on the list of 25. Must have been earlier then. Looking... — JohnFromPinckney (talk)

Well, that was fun. I've learned a few things today: Billboard prints its Top Music Videos only every second issue; the Top Music Videos is apparently available to Billboard.biz clients every week (although I can't confirm that); not all of Billboard's issues are archived for searching and display by Google (some are missing).

See what you think of this: It seems that GGGB Live debuted at No. 6 in the chart week 2010-08-02. The Aug. 9, 2008, issue shows it in its second week at No. 12, up from 6. That's on page 56 of Billboard, August 9, 2008, vol. 120, no. 32. If you have billboard.biz access, however, you may be able to show an online reference. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 12:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't researching through old Billboard archives fun? I spent a couple of hours at the library so I could reference the physical magazine to several discographies [yes, including that of the Glee Cast; if you're wondering, I did solve my problem (:]. Just a tip for future reference because I saw you flipping through many issues: if you search at the billboard.biz archives for video charts, enter your search query (i.e. "good girl gone bad live"), and then select the bullet for "Peak Position" beside "Date", it tells you the week of its peak! Helpful to save time in the future, and less flipping! :) So to respond to your open statement, I believe using the August 9, 2008 issue is perfectly fine because it does indeed show the peak. Yves (talk) 12:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Always happy to keep you on your toes! :P It seems the ref link doesn't work any more. I guess it stopped when Billboard redesigned their site. I'm glad to see that your research confirmed me, though, John! I'd be horrified to learn I added something that was wrong! Thanks for the tips, Yves, as well! Matthewedwards :  Chat  13:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the digging guys! Wow that's hard to read! To me it looks like it was at #1 "last week" in the magazine, but I'm probably wrong. Could someone add the ref, please, and there'll only be a couple of links to fix! Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:05, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Can't find a ref for the Canadian peak (10) of "Just Stand Up!". There's a hole in the string of archived Billboard issues in which the September 20, 2008, issue is missing. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 06:10, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Canadian singles

I am checking chart positions, and there is a gap if the chart archives between allmusic and Billboard. "Pon de Replay", "Unfaithful" and "Break It Off" need sourcing. If someone could dig some sources up it would be much appreciated :). Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you know what their peaks are? The magazine only publishes the top twenty(?), if I'm not mistaken. Yves (talk) 06:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

They are on the article. Also the German website has no mention of "Umbrella". Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Probably because it features Jay-Z. Yves (talk) 06:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Whataya know? Yves (talk) 06:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Yves! I've got to go now but I'll add it later if no-one else does. All the chart positions need to be checked, and I have done Australia, Canada, Finland, France and Germany (only singles in Germany). Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem! And regarding those Canadian singles, it's because the Canadian Hot 100 didn't exist then. Yves (talk) 06:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Order of Album Charts

Rihanna is NOT an American artist. She is a Barbadian artist. Why do people keep putting her US charts first and messing up the structure of the entire page? This is exactly why this page is about to be delisted from the featured articles. I'm confused as to why these edits keep happening. (mikomango (talk) 05:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC))

Because everyone's so Americentric all the time. Yves (talk) 05:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Yves darling, is it just me or is that a MESS? Does it not occur to American people that America is not the centre of the universe? Rihanna is not an American. I wish this crap wasn't happening, it makes it so hard to keep this wiki on the featured list! (mikomango (talk) 20:05, 24 November 2010 (UTC))

Promotional Singles Vs. Other Charted SIngles

Someone needs to change this, and re-add the promotional singles to the discography, because Wait Your Turn was a promotional single, and Breakin' Dishes should be re-added to this also. In addition with Promotional Singles, someone should add UK R&B and US R&B sections again to the other charted songs section, and merge the 2 'A Girl Like Me' other charted songs. Thanks. --Aquabender (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't understand why the two A Girl like Me songs need to be merged... they are not the same song. Yves (talk) 00:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I think he meant "merge the album titles" in the table. Decodet (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Why? They don't go in that order. Yves (talk) 00:43, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

"All Of The Lights" (Kanye) - Edit Question

I understand that RiRi isn't credited with an actual appearance on this track, but everyone knows she was a part of the final cut. I mean...she's the first voice you hear on the song. How do we educate readers about this? She was a part of this, so...where does that go? Just wondering. Cheers!!! (mikomango (talk) 07:07, 29 November 2010 (UTC))

Guest appearances, I guess. It's just background vocals, though, and I don't think they're in discographies, so I'm reluctant to add it. For example, Lady Gaga discography doesn't have "Murder My Heart" with Michael Bolton and Kesha discography doesn't have "Nothing in This World" with Paris Hilton. Yves (talk) 07:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I totally understand. I guess it's enough that she's listed on the vocals of the My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy article, but...maybe we'll have to wait to see if they shoot a separate video? Or if she begins performing it with him? Even then, I guess we'd have to list it under the promotional appearances for the song itself after an official release, right? Either way, my friend and I were watching the Macy's thing online and she asked me who sang the hook for All Of The Lights and I replied, "well, it seems as though you MOSTLY hear Rihanna even though there are like 1000 people on it" so I wondered...where is the space on Wikipedia for Rihanna lovers to learn this? I'm reluctant too, especially if the physical pressing of the album doesn't credit her anywhere, but...I still feel some kind of way. *shrug* (mikomango (talk) 07:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC))

Actually, the physical pressing—one of which is in my hands right now :D—does credit her with "additional vocals", along with KiD CuDi, Tony Williams, The-Dream, Charlie Wilson, John Legend, Elly Jackson (La Roux), etc. Regarding your earlier question, I doubt they're shooting a separate video, even though the song is expected to see a single release, because it was already in the music video for "Runaway" ft. Pusha T. Rihanna is prominently featured, and you can also hear verses by KiD CuDi and Fergie, as well as Alicia Keys's "Oh-whoaaa"s and Elton John's piano in the second half of the song. There's actually so many people, Elly Jackson can't even pick out her own voice. Maybe it could have a sentence or two in the Rihanna article? Yves (talk) 07:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I say we should put it under guest appearances, and have backing vocals in small text beside it. Ending-start (talk · contribs) 12:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I love it! Both votes make sense to me....a sentence or two in the Rihanna article, and then the guest appearances ONLY if it charts (and kids are dancing to it in the club and they want to know if that's Rihanna they hear -- and turn to Wikipedia to make sure). I mean, we all know Rihanna is the first voice you hear after the interlude and over the horns, but you're right...if Elly doesn't know where the hell she is, it doesn't make sense to put it on the discography until (and if) it becomes, you know, an actual hit record. (PS - Alicia Keys OH-WHOAAAA warble at the end of that song is the most gratuitous part for me! LOL) (mikomango (talk) 07:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC))

"Fly question"

Shouldn't be Fly by Nicki Minaj and Rihanna added to Rihanna discography as other charted song? For example Nicki Minaj discography article includes the song Raining Men and its position on UK chart, or it includes the song Dark Fantasy from Kanye Wests new album and its position in BB Hot 100 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.31.38.229 (talk) 06:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done: thanks! Yves (talk) 07:33, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

(Tentative) Edit Request: Rihanna tops first-ever Social 50 Chart by Billboard

I'm not sure where this should go, but Rihanna is number 1 on the first-ever Social 50 chart by Billboard. Information about what this brand new chart actually is can be found here. Not sure where this should go, but clearly this is a career milestone for Rihanna and I think it should be included somewhere in her Wiki-world. Thoughts? mikomango (talk) 02:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Maybe on the artist page, but not here. From what it looks like, that chart simply ranks artist popularity and doesn't have to do with album or song sales at all, so it wouldn't belong on a discography. Yves (talk) 02:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I got shut down on the artist page by John from Pickney (sic). He says it's gimmicky for now and we ought to wait to see what develops with the actual chart itself. Thoughts? Is it simply not relevant yet? mikomango (talk) 06:40, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Well it's only been out for a week, and I'm not sure how relevant it will be in, say, a year from now. Things could change all the time (there could be a different top artist every week), and I guess the chart wouldn't be very reliable if someone hypothetically decides to play a bunch of videos or tweet a lot about a particular artist. Yves (talk) 06:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I strongly disagree the addition of any charts, which is based on social media in general. They are grossly violation of WP:V, is fan-manipulative, and is actually disruptive if you look deep. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:18, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

"got shut down"? You make it sound like I held you down on the wet ground of the alley with my boot on the back of your neck! And the "John from Pickney" isn't as sic as he seems, honest; take a closer look.

Meanwhile, back at the topic, I agree that the Social 50 has no business being on the Discography, even if it's globally recognized as a true and meaningful indicator of artist popularity (and of course, it's not yet). — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 21:40, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry! I didn't mean to make you sound like a b!tch, I swear! I'm sorry, LOL! So yeah... if this chart ever becomes worth a damn, we'll maybe integrate it somewhere into the Rihanna main article, like "In December 2010, Rihanna became the inaugural chart-topper of the Social 50"? But if not...then it's not important? For, now, this is all we've got anywhere on Wikipedia to prove that the chart even exists. The more I look into it, the more it seems like this chart may be pretty lame eventually. mikomango (talk) 01:30, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 189.51.33.51, 12 December 2010

{{subst:edit semi-protected}} Sales of the Rated R in the U.S. have already exceeded 1 million for a long time, considering that the last time the complete list of the Billboard 200 was leaked, the album was already 1,002,000 +. Thank you!

189.51.33.51 (talk) 01:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Yves (talk) 01:13, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Who's That Chick

WTC reached No. 6 in Germany, not No. 14 as written on the table, please change that :) ! source

PS: There's something wrong with the sources... Well the one I wrote is the first one, and the source for WTC that is already given, shows second and third week chart position of the song... Could you add that? It's: 6-14-15 so far!

--79.216.175.246 (talk) 15:10, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done: Thanks for pointing out the separate musicline.de entries. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 03:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand Certifications

Is it okay if we delete all the New Zealand certifications under her albums and singles? New Zealand is a very small market, and other markets like Canada, France, Germany, etc. are much bigger. It takes up a lot of room and maybe limit it to Australia, U.S, and U.K.? I'm going to delete it for now, if there are any questions, just let me know. Remember, I'm just trying to make it look less messy!

--okredgreen (talk) 01:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

How does it look messy? I don't think it looks messy. The certifications present are of the markets of the peaks present, which is why they are there. Yves (talk) 06:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Even if it is a very small market (and please, cite your source), a certification is still an achievement. Please restore it, it's not okay to remove without discussion beforehand. The NZ certs were vetted, approved and accepted during FL and FLRC nominations; to remove the NZ ones is a bit unfair considering the Irish certs are set to the same threshold, and they've been left in; the certs cells aren't huge or causing a lot of whitespace; and we aren't even listing the French, German, etc ones. Add those and it might be worth considering, until then, it isn't. Matthewedwards :  Chat  07:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

California King Bed

this song charted in the UK last sunday at number 192 according to ChartsPlus, could it be added to the "other charted songs"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.2.119 (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

What's my Name

WmN debuted at No. 12 in Germany source...

Please add this, thanks!

Little question besides: Will it be able to reach the Top Ten as previous singles did? --79.216.212.250 (talk) 14:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Done! Decodet (talk) 15:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Who's That Chick

The peak position in Finnland is 5 not 11 http://finnishcharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=David+Guetta+feat.+Rihanna&titel=Who%27s+That+Chick%3F&cat=s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.127.84.42 (talk) 16:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Raining Men

How does everyone feel about the inclusion of "Raining Men" in Rihanna's singles discography? Personally, I don't think it should be included in the singles chart as it wasn't released commercially or given a full radio release (released only to urban radio). If it was given a full radio release then I could see it being included. Instead, I think it should be included as a promotional single. Let me know what you all think :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.41.34 (talk) 21:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

i agree, its not necesery, it has no music video, not released in non of the countries thats shown, and it think rihanna never mentioned that raining men as the third single, it should be included in other single or promo, rihanna herself said that S&M is her third single. ITS NOT A SINGLE, GET IT??!!, IT WAS NEVER RELEASED AS A SINGLE!