Talk:Violet wand

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How does it work

How do violet wands work? The description makes them sound like a fluorescent tube, in which case the following statement may be untrue, depending upon the gas.

One popular misconception is that violet wands produce ultraviolet light, and sometimes violet wands are erroneously called "Ultraviolet wands". Violet wands do not produce any significant amount of ultraviolet light and do not cause UV burns.

Mercury spectrum tubes (a low pressure version of fluorescent tubes) are known to emit UV light and users are recommended to not stare at them for long, or to use protective eyewear.

However, the glass electrodes do generate ozone and nitrogen oxides, giving your skin the well known "ozone smell."

It may be worth putting a note in the safety section that ozone should be avoided by those with respiratory diseases, such as asthma (see tropospheric ozone).

--zandperl 15:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that any dangers of these devices should be made clearer. Placing one near the brain, as a hairdresser might? How many brain cells might that destroy? In the handle there's reportedly a high ratio winding, similar to a Tesla coil, to up the voltage, which creates the tube's arc. Similar devices are used by TV repair people to test for a leaking CRT no longer under vacuum.

Coupling hairdresser use in the same sentence with erotic stimulation, making the concept seem somehow "exciting", seems a not-very-wise association for anyone to make.

Regarding UV light, the glass used on various kinds of tubes apparently affects this. Some neon tubes use a mix of lead in the glass to decrease emission of harmful frequency bands, versus a purer form of borosilicate or pyrex to increase UV. It's unknown what type of glass is used for the inert-gas tubes of these devices. It's also unknown what type of gas is used inside the tube, though that likely changes the color of the emitted light.

Curiously, UV light treatment is apparently still given by doctors to some people's scalps for certain severe dandruff conditions, I believe those devices have a comb and bulb combined, may require a prescription, and are not violet wands. Others keep their hair quite short and spend some measured time with their scalp in the sun for the UV light it provides naturally.

71.128.192.243 (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

external links

Appear commercial. Should they not be removed?Mikereichold 07:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Went ahead and removed linkspam.Mikereichold 07:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

references?

Any reference for it being called a "quack medical" device.--Crossmr 22:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How do violet wands work?

Violet wands/wand electrodes do not produce measurable amounts of UV light, unlike the valid concern stated for mercury tubes. As a manufacturer (not just a retailer) who makes sure our products undergo rigorous testing and constant research, we have documentation on the output values for UV, ozone, wattage, amps, volts, how deep the current penetrates flesh, etc. Even the ozone produced by a violet wand is within OSHA guidelines, the interference also within FCC requirements. Strictly speaking, violet rays and violet wands are not precisely the same thing as there are construction differences between the two (as well as difference in purpose and consumer use); violet rays are prohibited from manufacture with their original antique design and purpose (US FDA ruling, 1954) while violet wands are legal to manufacture, own, use and sell in every state in the US.

There are currently only two violet wand manufacturers in North America.141.151.219.15 16:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)Violetwanda141.151.219.15 16:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)|13:25, August 28, 2006}}[reply]

You're probably long gone, but it would be helpful, since you know the voltage and amperage, as well as the depth of penetration, to impart some knowledge regarding this device's safety with regard to "hairdresser" usage, and use on or near the scalp and head or brain. It would also be helpful to know more about the glass composition of the inert-gas bulb, as well as the specific mix, and relative ratios, of gases used therein.71.128.192.243 (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Violetwanda: Checking in again, if late. 7/9/09. I could do that, and give you exact specs on both types of devices. The antique violet ray, and the modern violet wand. But there would be two sets of specifications and figures, plus a third set of specs on the beauty high frequency devices used for hair dressing if you wanted that. We are making the glass tubes for replacements for the antiques, and for the beauty industry as well and they have different compositions themselves too. Depth of penetration as regards safety is much much lower for the hairdressing machines and tubes, and much higher from the antique violet rays. How about if I would indicate a range in specs that covers all three devices, plus a range of specs for the gas tubes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.21.204 (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Violetwanda: 05/14/10 Ideally, this piece on violet wands and violet rays should be separated into two articles. Violet rays are antique 'quack' medical devices with a specific set of frequencies meant for alternative medical therapies. Violet wands are modern made devices specifically manufactured for erotic stimulation. They both have common components and history but are as different (and as similar) as computer monitors and televisions. Like computer monitors and televisions, they have people who use product A for product B's purpose and vice versa through some modification. But when you are talking violet wand, you are defining an adult product specifically for erotic stimulation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.248.113 (talk) 18:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you add our Link to this page ?

Hi - We have a huge range of Violet Wands online to suit all budgets and tasts.

http://www.nickandmorphia.com

Probably the only one on the net specialising in classic and antique Violet Wands —Preceding unsigned comment added by NickandMorphia (talk • contribs) 13:33, September 1, 2006

Unless your link actually adds some valuable content to the article, no. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, or a vehicle for advertising a business.--Crossmr 19:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"The well known ozone smell"

A completely unhelpful phrase for what's meant to be an *explanatory* article! 81.159.57.18 23:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a meaningful phrase to me, as I know what O3 smells like.71.128.192.243 (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Violetwanda

Clarified difference between antique alternative medical use violet rays, and violet wands which are modern devices manufactured specifically for fetish use. Fetish Violet wand manufacturers are using modern components and results are dissimilar to antique medical violet rays. Am still willing to separate the article (as I stated above, May 2010) as the two devices are similar, but not the same, if it is thought that would be needed. Original 'single source' article that this wiki is based on, was mine pre-2000. Will return and provide citations to updated articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.248.113 (talk) 08:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quack or useful?

I'm familiar with the old violet rays being called quack devices. But wouldnt ozone and nox give them a topical antibacterial antifungal effect? And would their ability to irritate not give some counterirritant effect?

82.31.207.100 (talk) 22:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Logically, that would follow, since the antique violet rays are very similar to their modern cousins. However, the FDA, pursuant to a 1954 lawsuit filed in 1951 against Master Electric Co. in Illinois, does not permit any medical claims to be used in regards to violet ray devices. The FDA permits certain limited claims to be made in regards to skin stimulation, antibacterial and oxygenation, only by FDA approved beauty devices known as high frequency machines, and only under the use of a licensed aesthetician. (ps to wiki, again, would be happy to separate this article that covers all related devices, into individual articles for each type of device.) Violetwanda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.248.113 (talk) 19:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Undid revision

Undid revision where educational group link was removed as possible 'advertisement'. The Violet Wand guild is the only educational group on the erotic use of the violet wand, and is a not for profit group with no commercial basis. The information for the wiki article on violet wands was taken originally from this group's information articles as the single source cited. The link for the Guild has been on this wiki since it was written from their original content. violetwanda

Undid revision

Undid recent revision which included misspellings, removed a commercial notation of a brand of a rare electrode size that does not enhance the article and was not accompanied by citation, and undid the vandalistic removal of the article's source citation. February 9, 2011 violetwanda

Scheduled edit

This article is slated to be separated into two separate articles, one on the antique quack medical device known as a violet ray, and one on the BDSM sex toy known as a violet wand. While the two share some technological similarities, they are not the same, nor used for the same purposes, and the article creates confusion. violetwanda