Talk:Kahina

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The origin of Kahina

I removed the most statement before my edition. The reason is that they had nothing to do with the logic reality. A strange statement was that origin of the word "kahina" would be "Punic", "Aramaic" or "Hebrew". Where is Arabic? Is this to understand? No.

The another reason for removing the statements was the inaccuracy, like as "the third child of the tales". Those tales might be western. In North Africa we no such imagination. There was also a confusion about the othe sons; It has been supposed that the Arab captive was the thirth son. This is wrong, because she had three own sons, but the later accounts mentioned only "two sons", this because they didn't speak dirctly on her sons, but what her sons did. The thrid may have been killed against the army of Oeqba ibn Nafi'.

Yet another reason, is: Misplaced. Some stories had nothing to do with her origin. That should be written in another sub-article like as "Her rulership".

I also understand that i changed basically the article. I did that because it was unhistorical, yet more illogical. I would later correct the other subs. I forgot to say that the name of Kahina is dialect should be ignored. If that is true, it would be a very local dialect. If someone doesn't agree with me, i will just put the needed templates. Read3r 14:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand your remarks, but k-h-n is a triconsonantal root which appears in several Semitic languages (cf. Cohen), not just Arabic. AnonMoos 17:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is very probable since the Semitic languages would be related to each others (to an extent). But would we confuse all those Semitic languages? If K H N apperas in several Semitic languages, that doesn't mean it is Hebrew, Arabic, Phoenician... Geit is Dutch and goat is English. The roots G T do exist in both lanuages, but that doesn't mean that Geit is English, and Goat is Dutch only because both belong to the Indo-Germanic languages. What i found strange is the attrubition to Punic, Hebrew and Aramic while ignoring Arabic. Furthermore, It is not accurate to categorize Kahina according to a name given by some people. The Arabs had the tradition to give Arabic names to the Berbers. We have another example, not far from Kahina, and that is Kusayla. If you're familiar with Arabic you will surely konw that Kusayla sounds perfectly as an Arabic names. It is the dimunitive form in Arabic on the rythm of Fu'ayla. Does that say any thing about the origin of Kusayla or Ksila. If you still see some unclear comments, feel free to let me know! Read3r 23:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I very much agree with Read3r. There is no evidence from any source that associates the name with Punic or Hebrew, merely speculation. The only actual evidence is from Arabic texts, and "kahinat" is an Arabic word, so there is no need to go looking elsewhere, unless one is interested in Semitic word origins in general. Accordingly I have updated the article and also removed most of the speculation about Jewish origin as that is not the opinion of the majority of historical sources, just left the mention plus a reference to a modern discussion by Mohammed Talbi, a Tunisian scholar of repute. MisterCDE 06:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's the main problem for arab thesis, the name of Kahina comes from Cohen, the father of this queen is Matthias (Matthatias in hebrew), remembering from the asmonean time in Judea Matthatias Cohen Gadol father of Juda Macchabee. So Queen Kahina was the last jewish governor of Aures from Algeria to Gabes and Djerba. Remember than christian Byzantins were on the coast of Algeria (Saint Augustin) and all the Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco was a jewish country.Remember Tuat Empire from Reggane in Algeria to Tombuctou in Mali, and remember the first jewish Queen of Touaregg, Tin Hunan, called by Pierre Benoit Antinea. We have now some physical provals, like graves and we have found letters in the Gueniza of Cairo (Cambridge University) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.66.94.171 (talk) 07:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 15:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid citations

This article has huge problems, the citations are lacking, it neutrality is disputed and continents original research, moreover, i don't even think it makes it into notability to be considered a encyclopedic entry. In essence the article needs to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by James Wanten (talk • contribs) 12:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The citations are lacking"? Maybe you should read the suggested references. "Its neutrality is disputed"? By whom? Maybe you should read the suggested references, rather than the garbled messages on the talk page. "continents original research"? Where? Maybe you should read the suggested references. The only "original research" I can see is in one of the talk blogs above. Doesn't make it into notability? I think you'll find the subject in various encyclopedias ... I agree the text may seem a bit too much like a story, but this is a semi-legendary character, as were many of the famous people of the time. MisterCDE (talk) 12:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is causing this massive panic anyway? You covered the page with so many tags it's unreadable! the Ogress _smash! 19:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ibn Khaldun

Too much credence is given to the statements of ibn Khaldun. Here we have only legendary accretion many centuries after the events. It is possible that a Berber female leader did exist at this time, but clear recognition of the legendary quality of the accounts is notably lacking in this article. Perhaps we could have a separate section, K. in legend, and include all the fantasy writing about her? Hostiensis (talk) 16:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

The photo of the statue from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people should likely be added here. 67.87.113.82 (talk) 16:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]