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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Aircorn (talk | contribs) at 23:15, 29 April 2011 (→‎Ken Ring (astrologer): reply). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Christian Zionism in the United KingdomDougweller (talk) 07:04, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if this interests you, but a while ago it was cleared up, it's now a mess again with the same editor replacing his earlier stuff. "It is a commonly held belief, whom some see as an established fact, that within the politics of the UK today the Israel Lobby is extremely influential, as is the case in the US, but admittedly in Britain to a smaller yet still substantively significant degree." with no source, as an example

Page about MEDINA

Hello JzG,

thank you for your advices and comments about the page about MEDINA. Please, remove your request for speedy deletion due to CSD A7 since this criterion can only be applied to articles about web content and to articles about people, organizations, and individual animals themselves, not to articles about their books, albums, software, or other creative works.

Furthermore, please notice that I added some more appropriate citations from reliable sources (see reference 2,14,15).


Regards Hobramski — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hobramski (talk • contribs) 12:46, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That ANI posting!

Hi Guy,

Just to say that I redacted that posting from the history at WP:ANI after Fred removed it. Basically, it's a ReallyBadIdea™ to post the contents of private correspondence on-wiki - we have precedent for that here - and it's particularly unacceptable if it's from an OTRS queue. Jes' sayin' ... In this case, the person mentioned in the original posting claims not to be involved and that this was part of an ongoing campaign against them. Given that their RL name was involved, I felt it better if this was removed. A request had also been posted to Oversight - Alison ❤ 20:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • There was nothing in there which identified the sender, and I checked that there was nothing there which was not also available online. Fred's response makes sense, his judgment on this seems sound to me. Removing the thing is of course absolutely fine with me since it seems the real-world posting was a troll. The message to OTRS was not, I think, form a troll, but from a concerned citizen (whose identity I thought I had removed from the pasted content? If not then that was definitely careless). I'd probably have mentioned it if I'd seen the original myself. And of course it's not the first time I've been trolled and it won't be the last :-/ Guy (Help!) 21:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of RfAr/Clarification

[1] names you as involved, though it asks for no sanctions against you. --Abd (talk) 06:24, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Ring (astrologer)

Not sure why you deleted the predict weather section. It is an important part of his biography and his main claim to fame before the earthquake business. Improving it would be nice, but we can not just delete it. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 09:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because it was written like a press release whic had then been polished up by his advertising executives. Guy (Help!) 14:37, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, it was mainly written by typing his name into google news and local newspaper archive search engines and then referencing any hits before September 2010. As he was hardly notable until then there was not much information beyond a couple of interviews and some minor mentions. They talk about what he has done, which belongs in a Biography. When his website is used it is attributed to the site or to Ring himself. I have removed some, and as it now stands that section cites it six times (out of 28 total refs). Three of those are used to support the claim he denies global warming, because in the current climate saying someone is a denier (not skeptic) of AGW (let alone warming in general) needs some strong evidence. By the way, I am not an advertising executive, in fact I have no faith what so ever in this guys predictions. I have tried hard to be neutral and may have over-compensated some however. AIRcorn (talk) 23:15, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nervous?

This looks a bit unusual... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I absolutely agree. I'm just confused by your non-monotonic editing, with text growing, shrinking, being summarized, and then regrowing ;-). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think the phrase "oh no, not again" summarises the situation nicely. In the end the final argument was the best: the request embodies precisely the behaviours which led to the ban. I believe it's a footgun job but I do not know and frankly the very idea of yet another go round Abd's thousand-times-refuted claims makes me feel physically ill. There is literally no way to get Abd ever to drop an assertion once he's made it, he is the sole bearer of enlightened truth and the rest of the world just needs to keep hearing it until they believe. Take the blacklisting: he argued for delisting for, what, a year or more? Eventually he hits the discussion page on a day when nobody's around who remembers the original problem, and bang, he's "vindicated". Bullshit! I linked the site because Jed Rothwell spammed it, Jed Rothwell's acolytes spammed it in proxy for him after he was banned, and Abd and his mates kept linking to copyright violations hosted there. That is the objective truth, but Abd never accepted it, never will accept it, and interprets the delisting as full and final vindication of his many-times-rebutted view that listing it was "abuse" that caused "damage" by not allowing people to cite copyright violations for "convenience" (something the intellectual property lawyers foolishly forgot to write in as a permitted exception) and by suppressing WP:TRUTH which is, of course, ruthlessly suppressed in all the reliable sources. I cannot express how much I despair of his deceitful POV-pushing. Guy (Help!) 15:44, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to take a break in a quiet corner of Wikipedia, something like science or medicine. The Spirit of Neutrality and Truth (talk) 17:04, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! I am currently arguing with Dana Ullman, who has challenged me to point out where he lied about Darwin and Florence Nightingale's purported support for homeopathy - it's in his book on "cultural heroes", a book that arm-waves away the documented fact that Hitler was a great advocate for homeopathy but claims both Darwin and Nightingale as supporters despite their having ridiculed it in writing in documents which are easily available to even the casual reader. Oh, and another homeopath is asserting that Luc Montaigner's recent (unreproduced) work "proves the scientific basis of homeopathy" despite Montaigner writing that you "cannot extrapolate it to the products used in homeopathy". And craniosacral therapy is also in need of a substantial rewrite, references like Lee R P. Interface: Mechanisms of Spirit in Osteopathy. Portland, OR: Stillness Press, 2005 have no place in the discussion of the actual mechanics of the body - that should come from medical texts, though most inexplicably omit the cranial tides, much as they omit Qi meridians and miasms. It's a conspiracy. Guy (Help!) 17:22, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Presented without comment. MastCell Talk 17:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ho yus. And for why I think it's worth the effort, see http://www.safetyandquality.health.wa.gov.au/docs/mortality_review/inquest_finding/Dingle_Finding.pdf (pdf). Guy (Help!) 19:14, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's awful. And a reminder that ignorance and misinformation can be surprisingly lethal, which is what motivated me to start editing Wikipedia in the first place. MastCell Talk 19:57, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Arguing with quacks and cranks is good sport, but never forget that there is a serious side to it. Some of them are delusional and some are deeply unpleasant. Guy (Help!) 20:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the ones who are delusional but pleasant are the really dangerous ones. MastCell Talk 20:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

spam blacklist

As you know, I'm no advocate fo rcold fusion or fringe science in general. However, I reverted your rather bold re-addition of lenr-canr against prior consensus. The last full discussion was to not blacklist it, and I do not think you can restore it without a full discussion to demonstrate that consensus has changed. I suggest we discuss it there, notifying interested parties. DGG ( talk ) 21:07, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Did you actually read the rationale? It is being used to link copyright violations. This despite numerous previous warnings over exactly that issue. Sometimes I do wonder why the fuck I bother. Guy (Help!) 21:09, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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