Talk:Iridology

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Iridology

Two-three years ago I had stone in my right kidney. Five years before stone started making a lot of trouble I pass by iridologist. He stop me and told me that I have problem with kidney. I didn't pay attention at that time. So I took medications from urologist to help this stone move out. It did bother me, and bother me again and again for at list 3 month or longer. Thanks on heavy pain killer it was manageble and I was able to work. If stone would not pass it should be procedure to be done. At this piont I went on seminar for aromatherapy and Rain Drop technique. The part of it was little bit of Reflexology. My partner discovered moderate pain on right foot in spot corresponding to kidney and stimulated. Three days later stone pass away. Doctor said later than this size stones-4mm do not pass without prosedure. What was it, just coincidence? 06.10.06 LaCrosse ogkmv@comcast.net—The preceding unsigned comment was added by LaCrosse (talk • contribs) 17:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC).

Yes. Or, maybe, no. That's why you have scientific medicine, not anecdotal - to sort out such stuff. - DavidWBrooks 18:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually fairly impressed with this article. It is quite even-handed on a subject that could be rather controvertial. That being said, whose bright idea was it to wander through wikipedia and make all sorts of completely irrelevant links? I understand that people want wikipedia to be interconnected, but shouldn't the links in an article lead to things that are important for or related to that article? Otherwise, why not just link every word? Is that actually the end goal? There is no reason for the links to various countries or various years, nor to such simple words as "body". Furthermore, I don't know whether putting in information followed by "citation needed" is really beneficial to the accuracy and quality of wikipedia. If the citation isn't there, perhaps the information shouldn't be there either, otherwise I could type in any old thing with a "citation needed" note after it and artificially inflate the percieved accuracy of that "fact". Or are wikipedians in general more concerned with quantity than quality. I am not part of the wikipedian community, nor do I have the time and inclination to be. However, if these issues are being argued elsewhere I think that I'd enjoy following that. Please point the way. I'll make a point of checking back here. In the mean-time, with the wiki spirit in mind, I'm going to edit out all those superfluous links.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.173.98.203 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC).

Being Non-Invasive is a benefit?

That first point, that it's non-invasive, isn't it a bit irrelevant? If the diagnostic method doesn't work, so what if we didn't mutilate the iridology victim to diagnose him? I can look at you from across the street and diagnose you with roughly the same accuracy, and that's not only non-invasive, but frhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Iridology&action=edit Editing Talk:Iridology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaee as well. MrGalt 22:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The second point, that it has identified sicknesses before modern medicine has, is completely unfounded. I have removed it, although perhaps the entire section should be removed. 129.173.38.112 14:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Anon

I agree. If the invasive procedure diagnoses accurately, and iridology, being pseudo-science, does not, then being non-invasive is no benefit. I will remove this.—71.187.114.35 00:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course being Non-Invasive is a benefit, how could it be otherwise ?

If the invasive procedure diagnoses accurately, and iridology, being pseudo-science, does not, then being non-invasive is no benefit. This is true but irrelevant. The question is; is cutting someone open better than not cutting them open, the accuracy is irrelevant. Laughton.andrew (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Waniek Study

The following quote doesn't make much sense to me;

"one group tried to explain the observed patterns of iris transparency that distribute light into the ora serrata (the edge of the optic retina) by postulating a functio ocularis systemica (systemic eye function). Based on this hypothesis, the researchers developed an experimental trans-iridal light therapy method" - From the end of "History"

Or rather I don't think it adds alot. The only reason I can see that this would have been put in is as an example of a study of non-visual functions of the eye. The point being made is that such studies are rarely funded, whilst this point is relevant the study cited doesn't seem to be to the practice of iridology as it is used as a diagnostic tool. It either needs some context or to be removed.

Possibly useful link at http://www.iriscamera.com/main/spazio.htm sorry i don't have the time to wade through the whole lot but that iris tissue originates not from the mesoderm but the neuroectodermic layer seems interesting as well. nigell k (talk) 16:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Alternative or Traditional

The word Alternative is very ambiguous, "alternative" to what ? A traditional medical practitioner would consider modern medicine to be an "alternative", and vise versa. The term Traditional medicine is a much better fit, with the alternative being Modern medicine or Scientific medicine. Laughton.andrew (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Alternative to "evidence-based"? — BillC ^talk 23:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Here the system is clearly described by practitioners as "alternative". Basically, alternative medicine covers everything that is not medicine-medicine. Traditional medicine is generally reserved for folk medical systems whose origins are lost to antiquity. - Eldereft ~(s)talk~ 00:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Pseudo Science

The term "Pseudo Science" is not very neutral. A better description is needed. If this is based on one small unconfirmed study, that also happens to be disputed, is this science ? Laughton.andrew (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Iridology Related Field?

Medicine is related to Iridology? I don't think that anybody within the medical profession, be it Allopathic or Osteopathic Medicine would agree with this. Iridology is quackery and a pseudoscience. Presenting it as an "alternative medicine" may mislead, it should be clearly listed as being unproven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.55.200 (talk) 04:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Article needs a lot of work

The article is biased from the beginning. The whole of the article is in the form of an argument against iridology. It begins by saying that proponents of iridology "believe" certain things about iridology, as if iridology is just a matter of faith, similar to religion. Later it states that iridology is not supported by any published studies, but the writer has offered nothing to show how he made this observation. In fact there are published studies on iridology. The article continues on about critics. It then talks about "well-controlled" studies and offers up the study published bye the Journal of the American Medical Association. [statement that violates WP:BLP removed by BullRangifer.] I will be making changes to this article over time. bruvensky (talk) 08:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I have removed a libelous statement from your comment per our WP:BLP policy. Read that policy. Don't reinstate it or you will be blocked. I also suggest you familiarize yourself with our policies before you start making too many changes, especially WP:FRINGE and WP:MEDRS. The scientific POV gets priority in articles about fringe subjects. Statements about unproven subjects like iridology must be couched in language that ensures that readers don't get the impression that the claims of promoters of iridology are automatically true. If something is unproven, it is a belief. To the believer it is accepted as fact. Simple as that. We follow the relieble sources here. -- Brangifer (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I have not made any comments about Iridology. All I have done so far is to criticize the article. Merely suggesting that the article may have problems has gotten quite a response. bruvensky (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Concrete suggestions on how to improve the article are always welcome. -- Brangifer (talk) 02:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Editor assistance

This article is the subject of a discussion at Editor assistance requests. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

LeafRed66

Definition of Iridology

The initial part of this article on Iridology provides an inaccurate description of Iridology. I also states that there is a lack of quality research studies referencing as evidence of this statement an article by E. Ernst MD PhD who is a known extremist and the author of countless articles seeking to discredit everything from chiropractics to aromatherapy to just about any other alternative, wellness or preventative approach to health out there. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/AJW1976/colic-folk-remedies_n_841418_82456492.html (expand the thread) It is inappropriate to have someone with such extreme views as Dr. Ernst as the sole contributor to this page. In his studies (all three studies listed on the page are in fact from Dr. Ernst's one study) Dr. Ernst uses the fact that Iridology does not diagnose disease to discredit Iridology. However, Iridologist do not disagree with that statement. They do not diagnose disease. This page, in order to provide a less biased and more complete view of Iridology must include what Iridologist's say it does. It must also include current research and not just research from the 70's and earlier.

I propose the following description of Iridology be added to this page:

Iridology (also known as iris diagnosis) is a technique whose proponents study the iris structure, iris markings, iris color, pigment markings, pupil size and shape and other characteristics of the iris to determine information about a patient's systemic health. Practitioners view combinations of iris markings and structure to determine a persons constitution, a term used by Iridologists to refer to a pattern of inherent strengths and weakness of body systems and organs that they claim predispose an individual to particular aging processes.

Iridologists also use an iris chart, developed by numerous Iridologists over the last 350 years, beginning with Phillippus Meyens ), who gave the basic understanding for the first iris chart (See History). The Iris Chart provides of map that Iridologist’s are developing, as a work in progress, to determine the location of different body organs as represented in the iris and is used, in combination with determining the individual constitutional type, to locate areas of the body that require additional support in the prevention of disease and in the aging process. The Iris Chart was developed primarily by medical doctors who observed that their patients who shared the same diseases also shared strikingly similar iris characteristics.

Iridology has been criticized by the medical profession as a method that does not accurately diagnose disease, however Iridologists do not attempt to diagnose disease. The primary focus of Iridology is to assess system and organ strength and weakness, and the relationship between these strengths and weaknesses to the aging process, to be utilized in a pro-health vs anti-disease approach to wellness. For this reason, Iridology is primarily of interest to practitioners of natural medicine and healthy living, particularly naturopaths, nutritionists, herbalists, and natural healers, as a method (amongst several used in tangent) to guide effective personalized cleansing and rejuvenation programs In alternative medical circles the holistic view of the body, available through iris analysis, is considered invaluable.